New Man Cave-Complete with 2 days to spare.

Well, I finally gave into the fact that it is freaking cold here in Massachusetts, and decided to move indoors, so to speak. I am having a 12' x 18' building built that will be my own personal escape from reality. Hopefully the shell will be up in 5 weeks or so, and ready for my finish work.

So far I have the general concept of bar, leather furniture, tv, etc down, but I would like suggestions on ventilation so that my wife and kids may visit me from time to time.

Has anyone out there done this that may know the most effective way to keep the cigar smoke from infiltrating everything?

Is rigid foam insulation better than fiberglass for this purpose?

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robertgreen30

I hope I get an invite to the opening of your smoking man cave LOL I'll bring the sticks

0patience

I bought thru wall bathroom fans. I installed 2 of them by my desk and they work great. But a couple ceiling bathroom fans should work pretty good.

webmost

How bout a fireplace or a pot belly stove? Warms the place and draws the smoke out at the same time, gives you a fine way to dispose of your nubs and ashes, and finally gives you and excuse for any lingering smoky odors.

pross

robertgreen30:
I hope I get an invite to the opening of your smoking man cave LOL I'll bring the sticks

Invitaions to BOTL wil def be forthcoming.

I was thinking propane stove for heat, due to ease of use.

JDH

pross:
robertgreen30:
I hope I get an invite to the opening of your smoking man cave LOL I'll bring the sticks

Invitaions to BOTL wil def be forthcoming.

I was thinking propane stove for heat, due to ease of use.

I just saw this thread. Can you describe the building - is it seperated from the house, or is it atttached to the house? Without knowing much about the building itself, this type of wallmounted heater might be something to consider :

http://www.stpaulmercantile.com/index.php?action=store&page=VentedWallHeaters

One word of advice is to make sure to use a heat source that draws combustion air from the outside (if you choose gas or propane) so that you won't be susceptible to carbon monoxide poisioning.

There are lots of ways to vent your building, but just remember that you should also be bringing in fresh air as well while venting your smoke. You will need something a lot more powerful that a bath vent, though. Talk to a good HVAC guy and he will recomend a few cost effective ways to get it done.

I would prefer rolled insulation to the riigid foam. In Mass, you should get the best r value you can for the money you spend.

Rain

Man cave huh? Jealous Pross, very jealous.

pross

JDH:
pross:
robertgreen30:
I hope I get an invite to the opening of your smoking man cave LOL I'll bring the sticks

Invitaions to BOTL wil def be forthcoming.

I was thinking propane stove for heat, due to ease of use.
I just saw this thread. Can you describe the building - is it seperated from the house, or is it atttached to the house? Without knowing much about the building itself, this type of wallmounted heater might be something to consider :

http://www.stpaulmercantile.com/index.php?action=store&page=VentedWallHeaters

One word of advice is to make sure to use a heat source that draws combustion air from the outside (if you choose gas or propane) so that you won't be susceptible to carbon monoxide poisioning.

There are lots of ways to vent your building, but just remember that you should also be bringing in fresh air as well while venting your smoke. You will need something a lot more powerful that a bath vent, though. Talk to a good HVAC guy and he will recomend a few cost effective ways to get it done.

I would prefer rolled insulation to the riigid foam. In Mass, you should get the best r value you can for the money you spend.

it will be a separate building about 75' from house. Standard 8' walls, 10 pitch roof shed style building. Insulated floor.

I was thinking that bathroom vents are not strong enough. Has anyone used commercial grade HEPA filtration, or Ozone generators?

pross

P.S. JDH, I had to laugh. I went to the heater link you sent me and it states "Legal for use in Canada, and all United States, "except Massachusetts"

FML...

JDH

pross:
P.S. JDH, I had to laugh. I went to the heater link you sent me and it states "Legal for use in Canada, and all United States, "except Massachusetts"

FML...

Now that's funny! There must be a building code specific to gas wall heaters in MASS that these don't meet.

JDH

pross:
JDH:
pross:
robertgreen30:
I hope I get an invite to the opening of your smoking man cave LOL I'll bring the sticks

Invitaions to BOTL wil def be forthcoming.

I was thinking propane stove for heat, due to ease of use.
I just saw this thread. Can you describe the building - is it seperated from the house, or is it atttached to the house? Without knowing much about the building itself, this type of wallmounted heater might be something to consider :

http://www.stpaulmercantile.com/index.php?action=store&page=VentedWallHeaters

One word of advice is to make sure to use a heat source that draws combustion air from the outside (if you choose gas or propane) so that you won't be susceptible to carbon monoxide poisioning.

There are lots of ways to vent your building, but just remember that you should also be bringing in fresh air as well while venting your smoke. You will need something a lot more powerful that a bath vent, though. Talk to a good HVAC guy and he will recomend a few cost effective ways to get it done.

I would prefer rolled insulation to the riigid foam. In Mass, you should get the best r value you can for the money you spend.

it will be a separate building about 75' from house. Standard 8' walls, 10 pitch roof shed style building. Insulated floor.

I was thinking that bathroom vents are not strong enough. Has anyone used commercial grade HEPA filtration, or Ozone generators?

Exhaust is the key, I'd avoid ozone generators. They really won't solve the problem. You have to get the all of the cigar smoke vented to the outside. I'm assuming that you'll have windows in this small room. For an economical exhaust solution you could use a window exhaust fan like this in one window, and crack the other open just a little to get fresh air in when the fan is in use:

http://www.airkinglimited.com/pages/industrial/window1.html

I'd talk to a good HVAC guy about exhaust and heating, though. Given the purposes you're creating this building for, HVAC is one area that you really need to do right, especially in your climate.

bigharpoon

Sounds awesome! Congratulations and where is this being built, Maine or Mass? lol.

Is HEPA really necessary for removing smoke? The only thing I've ever associated HEPA with is filtering lead dust. I'm not sure FG or foam board insulation makes a difference in smoke capture but foam board has a better true R value, not that 12'x18' is going to be hard to heat. Good luck!

JDH

bigharpoon:
Sounds awesome! Congratulations and where is this being built, Maine or Mass? lol.

Is HEPA really necessary for removing smoke? The only thing I've ever associated HEPA with is filtering lead dust. I'm not sure FG or foam board insulation makes a difference in smoke capture but foam board has a better true R value, not that 12'x18' is going to be hard to heat. Good luck!

In my opinion, a portable room air purifier suitable for that space is all that will be needed. I use a "blueair" in my cigar room. As for the insulation - my theory has always been to get it done at the lowest price.

JDH

Some info re cigar smoke exhaust:

http://www.ryandeyer.com/cigar-room/about-cigar-room/

http://www.ryandeyer.com/cigar-room/building-tips/

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/8246

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e_upJ1Hfi0

pross

bigharpoon:
Sounds awesome! Congratulations and where is this being built, Maine or Mass? lol.

Is HEPA really necessary for removing smoke? The only thing I've ever associated HEPA with is filtering lead dust. I'm not sure FG or foam board insulation makes a difference in smoke capture but foam board has a better true R value, not that 12'x18' is going to be hard to heat. Good luck!

this is for Mass. I have a big screened porch In Maine I use all summer.

I was wondering about the HEPA because I saw a commercial grade unit for sale on CL for $250, new they go for over $1200. It is 2' x 4' designed to fit in dropped ceiling grid.

pross

JDH:
Some info re cigar smoke exhaust:

http://www.ryandeyer.com/cigar-room/about-cigar-room/

http://www.ryandeyer.com/cigar-room/building-tips/

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/8246

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e_upJ1Hfi0

Greatinformation, Thanks JDH.

JDH

pross:
JDH:
Some info re cigar smoke exhaust:

http://www.ryandeyer.com/cigar-room/about-cigar-room/

http://www.ryandeyer.com/cigar-room/building-tips/

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/8246

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e_upJ1Hfi0

Greatinformation, Thanks JDH.

No problem. The Aificionado project is completely over the top regarding expense. You don't have to get that pricy unless you want to. My cigar room is really inexpensive (but I live in a much more temperate climate than you do). I got by with a window exhaust fan, a portable electric heater, and a good air purifier (all under $600 - with the air purifier taking most of that). You will probably want to spend more because it's a stand alone building in a pretty cold winter setting. Your HVAC guy will be the key to your project.

JDH

I use a Blueair Air Purifier - can't say enough good things about it.

http://www.blueairstore.com/?srcad=blueair-.

pross

And we're off.....

Had some progress on the man cave this week. Shell is up, ready for finish.

I basically started with a panelized shed that I customized using stick built, insulated floor, beefed up construction, and a 10 pitch roof.

Christening with a Padron 1926 as we speak using some of my patio furniture and portable propane heat. I think I might be a redneck!