Fear of peace will be the death of Israel

laker1963

xmacro

laker1963

dennisking

i think a lot of governments fear peace because war is business. big business. and xmacro. i know how it feels to be opposed to lakers posts but he is right. he didnt write it. he just repeated it. i think the point of fear of peace is a valid one. its the same point that people make about drug legalization. if we stop enforcing this injustice or legal issue or whatever then what happens to all the jobs of those people enforcing the ideals. so much infrastructure all gone

xmacro

This was copied EXACTLY as it appeared in Haaretz Daily News which is an Israeli news source. I never added or edited anything, so your arguements cannot be directed towards me.

My points about the article stand; that said, I apologize for the attack on you. I've spent time debating these political volley's with others, and I get tired of people using the same arguments that blame Israel for every conceivable ill or transgression in the world while giving a complete pass to the atrocities of Hamas. I didn't realize you weren't advancing an argument, but just posting an article, so I apologize for my harsh response

clearlysuspect

dennisking

i see your point, but as one who is somewhat famous for having the opposite opinion as laker, I decided to take a slightly different stance in this post. does it make him guilty. no, not really. as for me, if you don't know my stance I am a pro-Israel Christian (not the best one but...) but i think the fear of losing control and infrastructure and military jobs is a big point of this.

xmacro

dennisking:

i see your point, but as one who is somewhat famous for having the opposite opinion as laker, I decided to take a slightly different stance in this post. does it make him guilty. no, not really. as for me, if you don't know my stance I am a pro-Israel Christian (not the best one but...) but i think the fear of losing control and infrastructure and military jobs is a big point of this.

I might believe this when the suicide bombings and calls for Israel's destruction stop; it just annoys me to no end when someone blames a war of survival on the people being bombed. Does Israel have clean hands? Of course not! But they're a hell of a lot cleaner than Palestine's hands, or any of Israel's neighbors for that matter. Not saying you agree with that POV, just saying that it just gets under my skin when someone like the author of the article spews this garbage.

dennisking

and personally I feel that Israel has also done more to defend themselves than anyone should have to do to survive. Again, I am pro-Israel but I also can't help but think to myself "what would happen if there were no resistance". no war = no dollars = no jobs = no leg to stand on. i'm playing devil's (literally) advocate here but it's true. what would governments do with surplus employees and no wars to fight. they would fire those employees, that's what. and when the government provides so many jobs, well you can see the repercussions.

24footjet

HEY!.... Congratulations Laker, you finally got somebody to bite on one of your anti-isreal posts after the last 4 or 5 went by without a reply. At one time you had 3 of the top ten unaswered threads...once again congrats!

laker1963

xmacro

Vulchor

Luko

PuroFreak

docedwards

All this is very interesting but a little heavy for me. Think I'll lighten things up and go light up. All you guys have a nice day.

laker1963

docedwards

Okay, to everyone's delight this will be my second and last post on this thread. If you really want to debate the subject why don't you pick up the phone and talk to each other? I'll finish my smoke now. Have a great day.

laker1963

24footjet

Haha. Seems you are addicted to conflict. Hopefully from this point on people will understand you come on here to cause problems, not further "dialogue". You sure spend alot of time critiquing peoples replies...you must be a teacher. Just a few thought from a "small minded" American....I think that's what you guys call us.

laker1963

Vulchor

Im sorry Puro, but that isnt the topic at hand here and even if it were Im a not not going to engage you in a pointless debate on freedom of speech for the KKK v.s. the freedom to finance and decide an election by corporations.

Vulchor

As far as the article, I think Laker is right on point when mentioning the fractured and segmented political system in Isreal. While I am not suggesting any ideas on how to improve it, I can say that (as with most countires) one of the biggest issues is with a leader's need to secure and keep power overshadowing the opinions of the people he/she represent. Its easier to cater to a loud minority than it is a more rational and thought out majority.

laker1963

Alex Williams

24footjet:

HEY!.... Congratulations Laker, you finally got somebody to bite on one of your anti-isreal posts after the last 4 or 5 went by without a reply. At one time you had 3 of the top ten unaswered threads...once again congrats!

nice fish man!

Vulchor

Exactly right Laker. And not to draw on the other post about Cuba, but I think its an illustration of how many people are ready to try and move on from older problems and forge a new relationship with people...but the old mindsets (which are most often had by those who vote) keeps it from happening.