I'm not going to go into any of my political thoughts, but I will say it surely is amusing to see grown men get their panties in knots on internet forums.
Can't stand much FOX, bent over right. MSNBC morning Joe's ok, the rest of MSNBC is bent too far left. All kinds of people think they're being patriotic by calling themselves "conservative". If you're an American "conservative", aren't you "conserving" the LIBERAL ideas that founded this country? These would be the LIBERAL notions that all men are created equal, that 99% of us do not exist merely to serve the pleasure of the wealthy and powerful? The LIBERAL notion that commoners can own property and have a say in their own government. Europe was not in any way headed toward socialism when we broke away, it was a collection of monarchies, nothing socialist about it. The sad truth is that most folks think that they need to support the Republicans to save them from the Democrats, or support the Democrats to save them from the Republicans, when in fact the whole thing is like a Marx Brothers movie: the two major parties are Groucho and Harpo keeping your attention elsewhere while Zeppo (Wall St.) picks your pockets clean.
Fox News works for the same reason that Busweiser works----its easy and its comfortable for the "lowest common demoninator". Not saying people here are simpletons, or that they dont have intelligent people on their side----just saying it takes more brains to question and engage in critical thinking than it does to say that we need to proect the traditional family at all costs and that terorrists are bad....People who watch other news agencies seem to be able to progress a little beyond the "fun to talk about issues" like abortion and death panels and on to a true conversation about issues that impact people.
See the exact same thing can be said for MSLSD or CNN. It takes some brains to question the President and not just praise him for every move he makes. That's where Fox News comes in. They aren't for the "lowest common denominator," they just go after the issues main stream media refuses to go after. They hold the current administration accountable and everyone loved doing this during the Bush administration, but now that the anointed one is in office, they don't feel it is necessary.
Lol, I find that one hard to believe. Fox lables itself news, though it isn't. MSNBC does not. A big difference. Also most shows on MSNBC call people out and actually look into a story for the fact. Just watching Fox News about the healthcare debate, which they seem to promote the lies brought out by corporate funded freedom works, and republicans who have no ideas and just want democrats to fail and will make anything up. The shows that I have seen like chris oberman or rachel maddow actually look at the bills and will show what they have in there, vs Fox which will just spew crap from michelle bachman's mouth. The whole terrorism thing is another one, hell fox has cheney on there as much as they can spewing his BS, the very same man who was in control during 911!!! Irony at its worse. I do think both networks have issues, one such thing that really made me mad was when thousands of gay people marched on washington but there was little or no coverage of it. But several hundred tea baggers get together and FOX is all over it as well as most other networks. Its laughable but at the same time very very sad.
Fox News works for the same reason that Busweiser works----its easy and its comfortable for the "lowest common demoninator". Not saying people here are simpletons, or that they dont have intelligent people on their side----just saying it takes more brains to question and engage in critical thinking than it does to say that we need to proect the traditional family at all costs and that terorrists are bad....People who watch other news agencies seem to be able to progress a little beyond the "fun to talk about issues" like abortion and death panels and on to a true conversation about issues that impact people.
See the exact same thing can be said for MSLSD or CNN. It takes some brains to question the President and not just praise him for every move he makes. That's where Fox News comes in. They aren't for the "lowest common denominator," they just go after the issues main stream media refuses to go after. They hold the current administration accountable and everyone loved doing this during the Bush administration, but now that the anointed one is in office, they don't feel it is necessary.
Lol, I find that one hard to believe. Fox lables itself news, though it isn't. MSNBC does not. A big difference. Also most shows on MSNBC call people out and actually look into a story for the fact. Just watching Fox News about the healthcare debate, which they seem to promote the lies brought out by corporate funded freedom works, and republicans who have no ideas and just want democrats to fail and will make anything up. The shows that I have seen like chris oberman or rachel maddow actually look at the bills and will show what they have in there, vs Fox which will just spew crap from michelle bachman's mouth. The whole terrorism thing is another one, hell fox has cheney on there as much as they can spewing his BS, the very same man who was in control during 911!!! Irony at its worse. I do think both networks have issues, one such thing that really made me mad was when thousands of gay people marched on washington but there was little or no coverage of it. But several hundred tea baggers get together and FOX is all over it as well as most other networks. Its laughable but at the same time very very sad.
The fact that you keep personally attacking anyone with a different view from yours, like callin the tea parties tea baggers, just shows that you don't care about what is or is not true. You talk about lies but have shown none on the health care debate. Until yesterday we didn't even know what was in the latest health care proposal. That's ok though, you keep trashing Fox News while you get your news from more reliable sources like the huffington post and evey other liberal blogger out there like they preach the gospel, while the government continues to rob us of our rights daily. The fact remains, the government is stripping us of our freedom every day but you still defend it as long as there isn't an R in front of their name. You can say that isn't true all you want, but as long as you keep preaching about the wonders of a single payer system, which would bankrupt our country and destroy the quality of health care we currently have, it shows that you don't care about freedom, you care about what the government can do for you no matter what the cost to the nation. What news sources I choose to view really doesn't matter, I don't want liberals from either party to continue their assault on the values our country was founded on.
Fox News works for the same reason that Busweiser works----its easy and its comfortable for the "lowest common demoninator". Not saying people here are simpletons, or that they dont have intelligent people on their side----just saying it takes more brains to question and engage in critical thinking than it does to say that we need to proect the traditional family at all costs and that terorrists are bad....People who watch other news agencies seem to be able to progress a little beyond the "fun to talk about issues" like abortion and death panels and on to a true conversation about issues that impact people.
See the exact same thing can be said for MSLSD or CNN. It takes some brains to question the President and not just praise him for every move he makes. That's where Fox News comes in. They aren't for the "lowest common denominator," they just go after the issues main stream media refuses to go after. They hold the current administration accountable and everyone loved doing this during the Bush administration, but now that the anointed one is in office, they don't feel it is necessary.
Lol, I find that one hard to believe. Fox lables itself news, though it isn't. MSNBC does not. A big difference. Also most shows on MSNBC call people out and actually look into a story for the fact. Just watching Fox News about the healthcare debate, which they seem to promote the lies brought out by corporate funded freedom works, and republicans who have no ideas and just want democrats to fail and will make anything up. The shows that I have seen like chris oberman or rachel maddow actually look at the bills and will show what they have in there, vs Fox which will just spew crap from michelle bachman's mouth. The whole terrorism thing is another one, hell fox has cheney on there as much as they can spewing his BS, the very same man who was in control during 911!!! Irony at its worse. I do think both networks have issues, one such thing that really made me mad was when thousands of gay people marched on washington but there was little or no coverage of it. But several hundred tea baggers get together and FOX is all over it as well as most other networks. Its laughable but at the same time very very sad.
The fact that you keep personally attacking anyone with a different view from yours, like callin the tea parties tea baggers, just shows that you don't care about what is or is not true. You talk about lies but have shown none on the health care debate. Until yesterday we didn't even know what was in the latest health care proposal. That's ok though, you keep trashing Fox News while you get your news from more reliable sources like the huffington post and evey other liberal blogger out there like they preach the gospel, while the government continues to rob us of our rights daily. The fact remains, the government is stripping us of our freedom every day but you still defend it as long as there isn't an R in front of their name. You can say that isn't true all you want, but as long as you keep preaching about the wonders of a single payer system, which would bankrupt our country and destroy the quality of health care we currently have, it shows that you don't care about freedom, you care about what the government can do for you no matter what the cost to the nation. What news sources I choose to view really doesn't matter, I don't want liberals from either party to continue their assault on the values our country was founded on.
I've shown a lot of things that have been lied about just healthcare in these bills now bill. You just don't read it or don't look at it. I've even posted links. Values? The vaules that you bring as you've said many times obviously is something I don't want. I am for helping people and making lives better. That would be a single payer system for healthcare, though you are fine with lining the pockets of a slect few who continue to deny people and cut them from their healthcare, thus making massive profits. I'm for keeping jobs here in this country from companies that are based in America not outsourcing and cutting jobs and wages. Which your party has continued to do over and over again. I am saving our freedoms, though your own party pushed the patriot act which is a severe breech of freedoms, gave multi billions to wall street and the banks (thank you bush and paulson) but oh no, when the American Auto Companies need a loan, we can't have that. When are you going to understand that your party left you a long time ago or maybe you just see things that way. I know many Republicans who left the "party" just from the way they have acted. I am an Independent and am very upset with Obama. Oh and your party is so for WAR but when helping out your own citizens you could care less. Trillions of dollars for WAR but the commons are, well expendable.
Fox News works for the same reason that Busweiser works----its easy and its comfortable for the "lowest common demoninator". Not saying people here are simpletons, or that they dont have intelligent people on their side----just saying it takes more brains to question and engage in critical thinking than it does to say that we need to proect the traditional family at all costs and that terorrists are bad....People who watch other news agencies seem to be able to progress a little beyond the "fun to talk about issues" like abortion and death panels and on to a true conversation about issues that impact people.
See the exact same thing can be said for MSLSD or CNN. It takes some brains to question the President and not just praise him for every move he makes. That's where Fox News comes in. They aren't for the "lowest common denominator," they just go after the issues main stream media refuses to go after. They hold the current administration accountable and everyone loved doing this during the Bush administration, but now that the anointed one is in office, they don't feel it is necessary.
Lol, I find that one hard to believe. Fox lables itself news, though it isn't. MSNBC does not. A big difference. Also most shows on MSNBC call people out and actually look into a story for the fact. Just watching Fox News about the healthcare debate, which they seem to promote the lies brought out by corporate funded freedom works, and republicans who have no ideas and just want democrats to fail and will make anything up. The shows that I have seen like chris oberman or rachel maddow actually look at the bills and will show what they have in there, vs Fox which will just spew crap from michelle bachman's mouth. The whole terrorism thing is another one, hell fox has cheney on there as much as they can spewing his BS, the very same man who was in control during 911!!! Irony at its worse. I do think both networks have issues, one such thing that really made me mad was when thousands of gay people marched on washington but there was little or no coverage of it. But several hundred tea baggers get together and FOX is all over it as well as most other networks. Its laughable but at the same time very very sad.
The fact that you keep personally attacking anyone with a different view from yours, like callin the tea parties tea baggers, just shows that you don't care about what is or is not true. You talk about lies but have shown none on the health care debate. Until yesterday we didn't even know what was in the latest health care proposal. That's ok though, you keep trashing Fox News while you get your news from more reliable sources like the huffington post and evey other liberal blogger out there like they preach the gospel, while the government continues to rob us of our rights daily. The fact remains, the government is stripping us of our freedom every day but you still defend it as long as there isn't an R in front of their name. You can say that isn't true all you want, but as long as you keep preaching about the wonders of a single payer system, which would bankrupt our country and destroy the quality of health care we currently have, it shows that you don't care about freedom, you care about what the government can do for you no matter what the cost to the nation. What news sources I choose to view really doesn't matter, I don't want liberals from either party to continue their assault on the values our country was founded on.
I've shown a lot of things that have been lied about just healthcare in these bills now bill. You just don't read it or don't look at it. I've even posted links. Values? The vaules that you bring as you've said many times obviously is something I don't want. I am for helping people and making lives better. That would be a single payer system for healthcare, though you are fine with lining the pockets of a slect few who continue to deny people and cut them from their healthcare, thus making massive profits. I'm for keeping jobs here in this country from companies that are based in America not outsourcing and cutting jobs and wages. Which your party has continued to do over and over again. I am saving our freedoms, though your own party pushed the patriot act which is a severe breech of freedoms, gave multi billions to wall street and the banks (thank you bush and paulson) but oh no, when the American Auto Companies need a loan, we can't have that. When are you going to understand that your party left you a long time ago or maybe you just see things that way. I know many Republicans who left the "party" just from the way they have acted. I am an Independent and am very upset with Obama. Oh and your party is so for WAR but when helping out your own citizens you could care less. Trillions of dollars for WAR but the commons are, well expendable.
Well first of all you have not EVER heard me say I'm a republican, because I'm not a registered member of any party. But thanks for thinking you know what I stand for. I do not agree with the Patriot Act. I think there were good parts of it, but as a whole I was not for it. You keep acting like I follow a strict party line but that just shows that you have not listened a think I have said anywhere on here. The only one on here I have heard say they are a registered Republican is Vulchor, and that is laughable... You can keep spouting the same tired old slogans of the left like "you're for corporate control" and "you're lining the pockets of big business," but in reality I'm for building wealth for everyone from the bottom to the top. I'm for more personal freedom and more personal responsibility. I'm not for the government taking over businesses in any way or bailing them out. Let them fail! Let the be responsible for their own greed. THAT will fix this country. If you don't like my values, then you clearly don't like the values set forth by the founders of this nation and you, much like the rest of the left in this country, don't think our Constitution is worth the paper it is printed on. I tend to think those guys had it right when we broke away from the European track towards socialism...
Our founding Fathers would be appalled at the level of corruption of the Federal Govt and our professional politicians. They always intended for the States to be preiminent, the citizens armed to protect themselves from their Govt, men to be free from unreasonble taxation, and for men to prosper from their own industry. Suggested reading: The US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
Our founding Fathers would be appalled at the level of corruption of the Federal Govt and our professional politicians. They always intended for the States to be preiminent, the citizens armed to protect themselves from their Govt, men to be free from unreasonble taxation, and for men to prosper from their own industry. Suggested reading: The US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
Agreed, way, WAY too much corruption in our political system.
Our founding Fathers would be appalled at the level of corruption of the Federal Govt and our professional politicians. They always intended for the States to be preiminent, the citizens armed to protect themselves from their Govt, men to be free from unreasonble taxation, and for men to prosper from their own industry. Suggested reading: The US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
Agreed, way, WAY too much corruption in our political system.
Yet you want to hand over one sixth of our entire economy over to this corrupt government with a single payer system? How does that honestly sound like it will fix anything?
I am a registered Republican for the record----just disappointed my party has gone away from alot of ideals it used to stand for. As for the guy with the fish in his pic (whose name escapes me) Squirrel retorted on my behalf and will just leave it prertty much at that, as the anger on behalf of fetuses and the concern over the family unit as opposed to fixing real issues like healthcare, economy, and immigration were prefectly displayed to show my ida of lowest common denominator-----Why go after isues that could cause you to lose your seat in congress when it would be much easier to talk about why 2 gays guys can bring about the downfall of our Republic?
Our founding Fathers would be appalled at the level of corruption of the Federal Govt and our professional politicians. They always intended for the States to be preiminent, the citizens armed to protect themselves from their Govt, men to be free from unreasonble taxation, and for men to prosper from their own industry. Suggested reading: The US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
Agreed, way, WAY too much corruption in our political system.
Yet you want to hand over one sixth of our entire economy over to this corrupt government with a single payer system? How does that honestly sound like it will fix anything?
Do you know what a single payer system is? But the thing about govt politicians, we as a people can vote them in or out, we can't touch corporate america and that is why having them in our politics like they are is a huge problem. As it is right now if they go against the big industries they can be bought out of their job.
Tatuaje, you're almost right. I guess I need to explain two things. First, when I use the term Liberal, I'm using it in its original uncorrupted form: "one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional or established forms or ways" (Webster's). Most of ya'll have been taught by the right wing scream machine that Liberal = Socialist. Not so. To reflect my point of view, understand that I consider Hillary Clinton to be a socialist, NOT a liberal. For a good explanation of this you might try reading "Libertarianism, a Primer" by David Boaz, published by the CATO institute. (hardly a left-wing reference) Secondly, while you correctly point that the founding fathers using the (liberal) democratic ideals of the ancient Greeks as their model, you may need reminding that more than 17 centuries passed between then and the American Revolution. The ideas that: a common person has the right to question authority without being jailed for his question, an individual needn't be a member of the official state church, and especially that the populace could not be governed without their consent, (see Thomas Paine, Common Sense) were, in fact, outrageously radical proposals. These ideas were so far from the norm that even George Washington and John Adams had their detractors imprisoned, free political speech not reaching official acceptance until the presidency of James Madison. Also, some of you have expressed the opinion above that corporations need not be feared because they don't have rights like you and I. This was correct until a few weeks ago when the Gang of Five on the Supreme Court overturned all precedent and declared that the constitution guarantees them the same rights as real live human beings. This means, effectively, that corporations, even foreign owned corporations can "speak", with their money, in influencing our elections. I'm most disappointed in Clarence Thomas, because I thought that he was an originalist on constitutional matters. I already knew that Scalia was an activist judge, legislating from the bench in favor of Wall St., but Thomas, very disappointing. The Democrats and the Republicans are like the left and right hands, fingers clasped and applying pressure together. We're what's in the middle. Neither of these entities is interested in protecting your freedom. Government is like a trained elephant, very useful if carefully controlled, deadly dangerous if allowed to run amok.
Let's not forget that it's the left in this country that wants to take away your right to enjoy a cigar indoors and tax your cigars to the point where they are priced prohibitively.
Let's not forget that it's the left in this country that wants to take away your right to enjoy a cigar indoors and tax your cigars to the point where they are priced prohibitively.
I do feel that the left are way too eager to quell tobacco, which is sad. Though I want children to have healthy lives I don't want it to be paid for by taxing cigars. Though the republicans and yes I think some democrats are for the big businesses and could care less about we the people. A power point leaked about the GOP strategy and here is a little bit of info on that, what a great way of a party to act and to keep the fear going. http://www.johnennis.tv/blog/leaked-more-secret-rnc-power-point-slides/, http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33866_Page2.html.
Tatuaje, you're almost right. I guess I need to explain two things. First, when I use the term Liberal, I'm using it in its original uncorrupted form: "one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional or established forms or ways" (Webster's). Most of ya'll have been taught by the right wing scream machine that Liberal = Socialist. Not so. To reflect my point of view, understand that I consider Hillary Clinton to be a socialist, NOT a liberal. For a good explanation of this you might try reading "Libertarianism, a Primer" by David Boaz, published by the CATO institute. (hardly a left-wing reference) Secondly, while you correctly point that the founding fathers using the (liberal) democratic ideals of the ancient Greeks as their model, you may need reminding that more than 17 centuries passed between then and the American Revolution. The ideas that: a common person has the right to question authority without being jailed for his question, an individual needn't be a member of the official state church, and especially that the populace could not be governed without their consent, (see Thomas Paine, Common Sense) were, in fact, outrageously radical proposals. These ideas were so far from the norm that even George Washington and John Adams had their detractors imprisoned, free political speech not reaching official acceptance until the presidency of James Madison. Also, some of you have expressed the opinion above that corporations need not be feared because they don't have rights like you and I. This was correct until a few weeks ago when the Gang of Five on the Supreme Court overturned all precedent and declared that the constitution guarantees them the same rights as real live human beings. This means, effectively, that corporations, even foreign owned corporations can "speak", with their money, in influencing our elections. I'm most disappointed in Clarence Thomas, because I thought that he was an originalist on constitutional matters. I already knew that Scalia was an activist judge, legislating from the bench in favor of Wall St., but Thomas, very disappointing. The Democrats and the Republicans are like the left and right hands, fingers clasped and applying pressure together. We're what's in the middle. Neither of these entities is interested in protecting your freedom. Government is like a trained elephant, very useful if carefully controlled, deadly dangerous if allowed to run amok.
You aren't the first on here to attack the Supreme Court for the ruling on corporate spending on political advertising, and it still escapes me why anyone would attack the courts for upholding the Constitution... Where in our Constitution does it limit freedom of speech in any way, shape, or form? I've asked this over and over yet nobody seems to have an actual answer... They just keep spouting that it's corrupting our government. Even if that is true, that doesn't mean it is unconstitutional... Corporations are made up of people who have the same rights as anyone else.
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