Anyone in Arizona?

phobicsquirrel

Due to the recent events going on in Arizona I'm wondering if anyone here lives there and if they think it will work? Or if you think it's a dumb law.

jlmarta

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The "new law" is basically what the Federal Law already is. You know, the one that the Federal government isn't enforcing.

cabinetmaker

zoom6zoom:

The "new law" is basically what the Federal Law already is. You know, the one that the Federal government isn't enforcing.

Lol... +1

fla-gypsy

cabinetmaker:

zoom6zoom:

The "new law" is basically what the Federal Law already is. You know, the one that the Federal government isn't enforcing.

Lol... +1

+2

phobicsquirrel

fla-gypsy:

cabinetmaker:

zoom6zoom:

The "new law" is basically what the Federal Law already is. You know, the one that the Federal government isn't enforcing.

Lol... +1

+2

Yeah pretty much. I would like to throw this out though... Wouldn't you think if the police or the state held the companies who hire accountable and fined the hell out of them wouldn't you think that maybe people would stop coming here? Supposedly over a million illegals have left this country due to the collapse of the economy. I really think the people who hire them should be dealt with. I don't think people in general should be targeted especially the way the law was set up. I don't even have my original birth certificate.

stephen_hannibal

phobicsquirrel

jlzimmerman

Anyone who's against Arizona's law (or the U.S. law) should read other nations' immigration laws, especially Mexico's. Our laws are sugary sweet compared to everyone else.

Vulchor

In contrast to my Obama and Tea Bagger posts----I totally with the right wing and conservatism on this one. I see how it could be a violation or rights, or appearing to be profiling----but the trouble with profiling often seems to be (at least to me) is that it works so well most of the time, and people hate that this is true. So I say tighten up that border, send em out, or whatever Arizona wants. Let Texas, Cali, and Florida follow suit---you have my vote.

phobicsquirrel

I know profiling is said to be so bad but yes I do think it works at times. The thing that I have a problem with is that making people carry sensitive information is not very good. SS card, birth certificate (the real actual one), and immigration papers is dangerous, imagine if they get mugged or the things are stolen? Identity theft is already bad, with those things they would be even worse. Besides just because someone looks brown shouldn't be grounds for them to be arrested or harassed. The African Americans dealt with that for a long time and now it isn't nearly as bad but yes profiling is a lot to blame. I heard a story a day before the law passed or maybe the day of, that a truck driver got pulled over, showed a CDL license for the state and all other proper information was then taken into custody then held till his wife came to bring his Birth Certificate and SS card, and I think it was out of state too. I think that's way excessive, but if they guy was white then I'm sure a DL would be just fine. I dunno, things like this can spiral way out of control. I still think that enforcing the employment practices would fix a lot of this but not all. Anyone ever try to get citizenship here? It's Frakin hard and very expensive. Though Canada is like that too, well now that I think of it a lot of places are.

Matt Marvel

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Matt Marvel

cabinetmaker

The problem in Arizona is not illegals coming here to take American jobs, it's them coming here to sell drugs, kidnap and murder people. Fining companies does nothing to solve that at all. If we really want go a long way toward curbing illegals from taking American jobs from American citizens, eliminating unions would go much futher to solving that than dining companies; although fining companies in conjunction with getting rid of greedy unions would be the best solution - but tightening the borders first is a must.

PuroFreak

Vulchor

PuroFreak

Vulchor

I understand there are supposed checks in place for police power...but Im sorry, that does not stop undue violence or abuse of power a lot of the time. I am not trying to bash police, and know you're an officer and appreciate and respect what you do----but for those who do not wear the badge with the same honor and dignity...I fear for citizens.

PuroFreak

Vulchor:

I understand there are supposed checks in place for police power...but Im sorry, that does not stop undue violence or abuse of power a lot of the time. I am not trying to bash police, and know you're an officer and appreciate and respect what you do----but for those who do not wear the badge with the same honor and dignity...I fear for citizens.

So we should scrap an entire law which has the potential to be VERY effective, just because of the chance there could be a few cases of abuse? In that case we should just scrap every law in the entire country and our police force as a whole. Because having laws and police could possibly lead to some cases of abuse... That's where I have an issue with people screaming that this law is targeting innocent people. There are safeguards written into the law and even more in the amendments to the law. Just because the media doesn't report these things doesn't make them true.

Vulchor

I already stated I am for the law....but just as you believe govt. is in our lives too much now and is not acting legally or in the best interest of many citizens------I believe the same of many LE officers and only make the point that it could be a slipperly slope---not that it will be, or that I dont agree with the law...just simply to keep in mind as future legistation is proposed.