No Heads of State.....

clearlysuspect

stephen_hannibal

clearlysuspect

stephen_hannibal

Krieg

Vulchor

I feel the more local systems wuld fail, if only because of states having constant "wars" over territory, governing ability, and stretch of their power to enfore the law. This is why we need the national as well as more and more local systems we have in place. The founding fathers saw this to a degree, but I think alot of what we attribute to their knowledge today, doesnt hold water or is just grasping for ideas---because the nation and climate has advanced beyond what they could have seen or understood. That said, I dont know if there is a better way to do govt. than the one we have, although it to is with great problems...Like many things in any political topic, I think what we have may just be the best of the bad....which is better than most alternatives.

fla-gypsy

Actually this was tried in a sense already. It was called "The Articles of Confederation" It didn't work and a Constitution was created. The Govt we have now is not the same as it was in 1787 however. The President along with the Executive and Judicial branches of the Federal Govt had much less power then than now. The US Congress has changed less except it has become a haven for career pols instead of citizen legislators as it was intended.

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cabinetmaker

You can also look back to ancient greece too for some idea how this would work out. I don't think the nation would survive, it would end up much like vulchor stated with a loose consolidation of nation states.

Amos Umwhat

cabinetmaker:

You can also look back to ancient greece too for some idea how this would work out. I don't think the nation would survive, it would end up much like vulchor stated with a loose consolidation of nation states.

Sadly, I think this is probably right. On a similar line of thought, though, I've often wondered what would happen if we decided that if a majority of citizens of voting age don't turn out and vote, we just leave whatever office vacant until the next election? A little chaos of course, but, maybe people would start getting interested in the hows and whys of what's going on. Potentially improving our government in the long run?

Vulchor

Interesting idea, I would have to think about that one. The double edged sword here (our nation I mean), is that voting is a right---meaning you have the option to not excerise the right......obviously however, that is the trouble also with our nation being so low in voting compared to other countries. I think the argument could be made, and I am not necessarily making it here---just stating, that the 55% or so that do not vote are so uninformed or disinterested perhaps its for the better. Just think of alot of people we all know and how they vote (meaning lack of knowledge of the issues, just voting based on names, ect), they actually take the time to vote.....imagine the mind of alot of those who do not even do that.

Amos Umwhat

Vulchor:

Interesting idea, I would have to think about that one. The double edged sword here (our nation I mean), is that voting is a right---meaning you have the option to not excerise the right......obviously however, that is the trouble also with our nation being so low in voting compared to other countries. I think the argument could be made, and I am not necessarily making it here---just stating, that the 55% or so that do not vote are so uninformed or disinterested perhaps its for the better. Just think of alot of people we all know and how they vote (meaning lack of knowledge of the issues, just voting based on names, ect), they actually take the time to vote.....imagine the mind of alot of those who do not even do that.

It's just too depressing, isn't it?

Vulchor

It certainly could be Amos...I just take it from what my college roomates answer was to EVERYTHING....."It is, what it is "........with this the man was content and accepting of all things.

Krieg

fla-gypsy:

Actually this was tried in a sense already. It was called "The Articles of Confederation" It didn't work and a Constitution was created. The Govt we have now is not the same as it was in 1787 however. The President along with the Executive and Judicial branches of the Federal Govt had much less power then than now. The US Congress has changed less except it has become a haven for career pols instead of citizen legislators as it was intended.

Senate has also changed, States are no longer represented since the 17th (I think) Amendment was ratified.