Sam leaving Oliva?

zeebra

Russ55

Did he ever actually work for Oliva? I thought he just contracted the Oliva's to make his cigars. I'm probably misunderstanding something here.

bacon.jay

xmacro

Rob1110

PuroFreak

Christian_Sapp

so if sam leaves then what would happened to the nub and cain lines would sam take them and the blends or would oliva keep them?

zeebra

Christian_Sapp:

so if sam leaves then what would happened to the nub and cain lines would sam take them and the blends or would oliva keep them?

Pretty positive those stay with Oliva, unless Sam buys the name rights or some thing, which wont be cheap, and I doubt Oliva sells...

j0z3r

Christian_Sapp:

so if sam leaves then what would happened to the nub and cain lines would sam take them and the blends or would oliva keep them?

In all honesty, I couldn't really care less what happens to either line, the only cigar I'd miss if it were to go away is the Cain F, and even that wouldn't bother me too much. There is too much gimmick and not enough substance in those two lines...in my opinion.

wwhwang

Christian_Sapp:

so if sam leaves then what would happened to the nub and cain lines would sam take them and the blends or would oliva keep them?

Oliva gets to keep the Nub and Cain lines, as even though Sam Leccia created them, the Oliva family owns the rights to them as Sam Leccia was working for the Oliva family, not with them.

Christian_Sapp

j0z3r

Christian_Sapp:

j0z3r:

Christian_Sapp:

so if sam leaves then what would happened to the nub and cain lines would sam take them and the blends or would oliva keep them?

In all honesty, I couldn't really care less what happens to either line, the only cigar I'd miss if it were to go away is the Cain F, and even that wouldn't bother me too much. There is too much gimmick and not enough substance in those two lines...in my opinion.

yeah i am kinda starting to agree with you i think i got caught up in the nub, cain, and cain nub craze when it started to cool down they are not as good as i use to think they were dont get me wrong i still think they are a good stick but not as amazing as i use to think they are, im trying the cain f tonight. Its all about the 5 vegas

The whole thing with the Nub and then Cain struck me as odd because up to that point I had viewed Oliva as a company that produced cigars that were good enough to stand on their own and didn't need slick, overstated ad campaigns to sell. To each his own though, I know there are quite a few on here who would disagree and feel both lines are very good and not overly hyped.

One2gofst

wwhwang:

Christian_Sapp:

so if sam leaves then what would happened to the nub and cain lines would sam take them and the blends or would oliva keep them?

Oliva gets to keep the Nub and Cain lines, as even though Sam Leccia created them, the Oliva family owns the rights to them as Sam Leccia was working for the Oliva family, not with them.

Realistically, none of us is privy to what contractual terms may or may not be involved here. Anything anyone says about what WILL happen needs to be taken with skepticism, unless that person provides some sort of information that would indicate they have knowledge about what they are speaking.

wwhwang

One2gofst:

wwhwang:

Christian_Sapp:

so if sam leaves then what would happened to the nub and cain lines would sam take them and the blends or would oliva keep them?

Oliva gets to keep the Nub and Cain lines, as even though Sam Leccia created them, the Oliva family owns the rights to them as Sam Leccia was working for the Oliva family, not with them.

Realistically, none of us is privy to what contractual terms may or may not be involved here. Anything anyone says about what WILL happen needs to be taken with skepticism, unless that person provides some sort of information that would indicate they have knowledge about what they are speaking.

I'm just basing this off of what The Cigar Feed wrote, man.

docbp87

bacon.jay

One2gofst

wwhwang:

One2gofst:

wwhwang:

Christian_Sapp:

so if sam leaves then what would happened to the nub and cain lines would sam take them and the blends or would oliva keep them?

Oliva gets to keep the Nub and Cain lines, as even though Sam Leccia created them, the Oliva family owns the rights to them as Sam Leccia was working for the Oliva family, not with them.

Realistically, none of us is privy to what contractual terms may or may not be involved here. Anything anyone says about what WILL happen needs to be taken with skepticism, unless that person provides some sort of information that would indicate they have knowledge about what they are speaking.

I'm just basing this off of what The Cigar Feed wrote, man.

I get it. And it does sound like the brands are staying with Oliva. All I am saying is that, in and of itself doesn't really tell us a lot about the ownership of the brands. For instance, if Oliva owned 70% of the brand and Sam 30%, then, yes, the brand would stay with Oliva, but Sam would need to be compensated for his share. There are a million ways their business relationship might be structured and likely no one will ever know.

bacon.jay

One2gofst

And I believe that is the case. I'll use my NFL team, the Rams, as an example. Chip Rosenbloon and Lucia Rodriguez were the "owners" of the team. They owned 60% of it Stan Kroenke owned 40%. They own the Rams and can do with it what they like. Still Kroenke receives 40%. If Leccia and Oliva have a similar arrangement, then there will need to be a buyout, even though Oliva is the owner. This is personal opinion, but I cannot believe Sam would develop not one, but two lines and a number of different blends without any sort of stake in the success of the lines.

Alex Svenson