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mattshellmattshell Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 34

Can somebody explain a habano wrapper to me and the difference between it an a maduro wrapper?

Thanks!

Matt

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  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
  • WafflebobWafflebob Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 118
    Most of the maduro wrappers I've seen are connecticut broad leaf. From the way I understand it the process to make a maduro wrapper puts a lot of strain on the leaf and many varieties just come apart. Maduro wrappers have a reputation for being strong cigars, despite the fact that the flavor profile is usually smooth and mild. A lot of brands actually pander to this stereotype, but you can find mild cigars with maduro wrappers as well.
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 7,349
    You guys are smart!
  • rwheelwrightrwheelwright Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 3,294
    I actually just read an article on the myths of maduro wrappers in cigar magazine. it basically debunks the idea that maduros are strong. And they go into why people think that. Something about a shortage or maduro tobacco and how companies would take shortcuts on how they made the tobacco maduro including painting in some manner.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
    rwheelwright:
    I actually just read an article on the myths of maduro wrappers in cigar magazine. it basically debunks the idea that maduros are strong.
    or you just read my "blending 101" article in my signature ...
  • madurofanmadurofan Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 6,152
    rwheelwright:
    I actually just read an article on the myths of maduro wrappers in cigar magazine. it basically debunks the idea that maduros are strong. And they go into why people think that. Something about a shortage or maduro tobacco and how companies would take shortcuts on how they made the tobacco maduro including painting in some manner.
    There are a lot of misconceptions about maduros and the fact that the are stronger is a misconception most are in fact a medium bodied cigar. Also it is very common practice to "dye" a maduro leaf to get it darker. The Partagas black is an excellent example.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
    madurofan:
    rwheelwright:
    I actually just read an article on the myths of maduro wrappers in cigar magazine. it basically debunks the idea that maduros are strong. And they go into why people think that. Something about a shortage or maduro tobacco and how companies would take shortcuts on how they made the tobacco maduro including painting in some manner.
    There are a lot of misconceptions about maduros and the fact that the are stronger is a misconception most are in fact a medium bodied cigar. Also it is very common practice to "dye" a maduro leaf to get it darker. The Partagas black is an excellent example.
    im not sure i would put the partagas black in the same category as some of the boom cigar makers though...
  • madurofanmadurofan Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 6,152
    kuzi16:
    madurofan:
    rwheelwright:
    I actually just read an article on the myths of maduro wrappers in cigar magazine. it basically debunks the idea that maduros are strong. And they go into why people think that. Something about a shortage or maduro tobacco and how companies would take shortcuts on how they made the tobacco maduro including painting in some manner.
    There are a lot of misconceptions about maduros and the fact that the are stronger is a misconception most are in fact a medium bodied cigar. Also it is very common practice to "dye" a maduro leaf to get it darker. The Partagas black is an excellent example.
    im not sure i would put the partagas black in the same category as some of the boom cigar makers though...
    Not saying its in the same category as the now defunct boomers BUT it is a well-known and not so highly thought of fact that General dyes their maduros, especially the Black.
  • urbinourbino Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,517
    Hmph. That pleases me not. I guess I'll have to start paying more attention to which brands come from which companies. I don't smoke a lot of maduros, but still.
  • madurofanmadurofan Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 6,152
    Actually Urbi MOST maduros are dyed from what I've been told. I don't know how you tell but I do know that the General Rep told me all General's are and he claimed that all Fuente's were as well.
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 7,349
    So why dye the wrapper? For eye candy?
  • urbinourbino Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,517
    madurofan:
    Actually Urbi MOST maduros are dyed from what I've been told. I don't know how you tell but I do know that the General Rep told me all General's are and he claimed that all Fuente's were as well.
    Double hmph.
  • LukoLuko Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,004
    I did not know that, Maddy. I wanna get in on that hmph.
  • j0z3rj0z3r Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 9,403
    madurofan:
    Actually Urbi MOST maduros are dyed from what I've been told. I don't know how you tell but I do know that the General Rep told me all General's are and he claimed that all Fuente's were as well.
    From what I've read, a good deal of maduros are cooked, well steamed actually, to create a dark and even coloring...kinda like cutting the corners of the natural maduro process, presumably for quantity over quality. Usually a dyed maduro is detectable pretty easily as it will leave a dye residue on the lips and sometimes fingers.
  • urbinourbino Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,517
    Luko:
    I did not know that, Maddy. I wanna get in on that hmph.
    All hmphers welcome.
  • dutyjedutyje Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,263
    j0z3r:
    Usually a dyed maduro is detectable pretty easily as it will leave a dye residue on the lips and sometimes fingers.
    Like the Nestor Reserve Maduro
  • kaspera79kaspera79 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 7,144
    j0z3r:
    madurofan:
    Actually Urbi MOST maduros are dyed from what I've been told. I don't know how you tell but I do know that the General Rep told me all General's are and he claimed that all Fuente's were as well.
    From what I've read, a good deal of maduros are cooked, well steamed actually, to create a dark and even coloring...kinda like cutting the corners of the natural maduro process, presumably for quantity over quality. Usually a dyed maduro is detectable pretty easily as it will leave a dye residue on the lips and sometimes fingers.
    I've found the worst offenders of dye residue on fingers and lips are the corojo wrapper cigars. I can't remember the name, but one in particular was infused with a red wine, this was a real stainer. Fairly decent cigar but a bit of a novelity.
  • urbinourbino Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,517
    dutyje:
    j0z3r:
    Usually a dyed maduro is detectable pretty easily as it will leave a dye residue on the lips and sometimes fingers.
    Like the Nestor Reserve Maduro
    Hm. I hadn't noticed that happening with that cigar, but maybe I just didn't notice it.
  • WafflebobWafflebob Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 118
    phobicsquirrel:
    You guys are smart!
    I'm a bit OCD when it comes to researching things I'm interested in. The cigar.com newsletter, cigarcyclopedia.com and Kuzi's guides all have a lot of good info.
  • eyecoineyecoin Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 1
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
  • urbinourbino Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,517
    Well, leaving aside maduro for a second, I can now proclaim I have a favorite habano cigar: the La Cuna Bin. 85 habano. If you haven't tried these, do yourself a favor.
  • Bad AndyBad Andy Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 848
    j0z3r:
    madurofan:
    Actually Urbi MOST maduros are dyed from what I've been told. I don't know how you tell but I do know that the General Rep told me all General's are and he claimed that all Fuente's were as well.
    From what I've read, a good deal of maduros are cooked, well steamed actually, to create a dark and even coloring...kinda like cutting the corners of the natural maduro process, presumably for quantity over quality. Usually a dyed maduro is detectable pretty easily as it will leave a dye residue on the lips and sometimes fingers.
    This is the reason for the limited availability of the Oliva V maduro. And with any Oliva maduro, they do theirs the correct way. The rep said a lot of companies 'cook' the leaves. A naturally aged/fermented maduro has uneven discoloration.
  • dutyjedutyje Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,263
  • urbinourbino Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,517
  • j0z3rj0z3r Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 9,403
    An interesting thought Duty...to counter your idea, I would suggest that a maduro leaf is milder not due to aging, but because of the extra fermentation that brings out more natural sugars and sweetness in the leaf. If indeed it is not milder, then at the very least it is perceived as milder due to its higher sugar content.
  • gmill880gmill880 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 5,947
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
  • madurofanmadurofan Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 6,152
    j0z3r:
    An interesting thought Duty...to counter your idea, I would suggest that a maduro leaf is milder not due to aging, but because of the extra fermentation that brings out more natural sugars and sweetness in the leaf. If indeed it is not milder, then at the very least it is perceived as milder due to its higher sugar content.
    Bingo.
  • GLPartoyanGLPartoyan Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 8
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