No one Amos-----we would be left in the dust, save perhaps a few dozen "thinking of you" cards from Isreal. The UK would actually do all they could, until the poltiical tide turned on the officials---then we're on our own. Which is why we need to stay out of $hit more, and allow life to happen.
This may have been mentioned here before and I just missed it, but my biggest problem with us taking any action in Libya is that we really have no idea who we are helping. They are called "the people" and "rebel forces" but we don't know that the people we are helping and fighting for aren't much much worse than the nut job running the country now. No doubt he is a tyrant and an evil person, but do we really know we are building and contributing to the rise of something that will turn out to be much worse? It's not like we can know they won't turn on us after we have helped them... we did arm the Taliban to fight the soviets.
This may have been mentioned here before and I just missed it, but my biggest problem with us taking any action in Libya is that we really have no idea who we are helping. They are called "the people" and "rebel forces" but we don't know that the people we are helping and fighting for aren't much much worse than the nut job running the country now. No doubt he is a tyrant and an evil person, but do we really know we are building and contributing to the rise of something that will turn out to be much worse? It's not like we can know they won't turn on us after we have helped them... we did arm the Taliban to fight the soviets.
excellent point, but, a la Charlie Wilson, let's not repeat the mistake we made with the Taliban, if we help, we're commited to see it through the aftermath, and that...well, can we?
I think I tried to hit on that Puro before, maybe in a different way, but as I said we were once friends with Saddam and Mubarek as well----because we get involved in too much we shouldnt, but we have to protect our economic interests everywhere. We dont get involved everywhere granted (Darfur), but we do protect our economic interests wherever they may be. Dictators are also OK for this, as long as they are friendly dictators to the U.S.....Lets not even get started on say, Saudi Arabia.
if i am not mistaken it was George Washington that warned us, and was worried about, this "entanglement"
I know, I was just as shocked to learn this! LoL But in all seriousness, the opinions over the Iraq war differ and that is fine. We don't have to all agree if it was justified or not. The thing that we need to make sure of is that the debate is honest and truthful. I know you and Pheebs agree more often than you and I, but a lie is lie is a lie and it does a disservice to everyone for a lie to keep being repeated. Not a disagreement of opinion, but a correction of the facts is what I was trying to accomplish.
I agree Puro, and Im not saying this to beat the dead horse-----but my the same sentiment its why FOR YEARS I have begged for a real look into intelligence, planning, and the other stuff (see your conspiracy theories here) behind the Iraq War and the WMD question. The rights response is that it is done with and the left agreed to it, and the left cant stand up enough to complain....Meanwhile people die for reasons we have never been explained or understood in the first place!!!
I agree Puro, and Im not saying this to beat the dead horse-----but my the same sentiment its why FOR YEARS I have begged for a real look into intelligence, planning, and the other stuff (see your conspiracy theories here) behind the Iraq War and the WMD question. The rights response is that it is done with and the left agreed to it, and the left cant stand up enough to complain....Meanwhile people die for reasons we have never been explained or understood in the first place!!!
I agree, and I personally think the war was justified, but not for the reasons of WMD's. The problem I have is when you hear people scream about President Bush making up the whole thing just to go to war. That is a lie for political gain and does nothing to make the situation better. The intelligence was wrong and we need to find out why. But we also have to remember it isn't a matter of democrats vs republicans because it was the same Intel passed on from President Clinton. I agree we need to take a long look at our role as the global police, but it needs to be truly non-partisan... yea like that will ever happen. LoL
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