Libya

Jetmech_63

As many of you know I've made a living the past 14 years on active duty but even this boggles my mind to no end. How was firing 112+ Tomahawk Land Attack Missles into a country, without provocation, not an act of war? That was not our fight. Doesn't suprised me one bit they shot down our F15(mechanical failure my ass... I'm a jet mechanic). I am so sick of us using the UN to completley bypass congress and the constitution. The last time we declared war was WW2... Fact. And the "war on terror" doesn't count.... Declaring war on a self sustaining ideal..... Please don't touch that, that a whole diffrent thread. Now is the rest of the world going to think if they can publicize the injustice that is happening intheir countries, organize a half ass rebellion then uncle Sam will be right there to support it with firepower in the name of freedom and democracy for all? I find it harder and harder every day to support and defend the document that were not even using anymore. If anyone can tell me how that was not an act of war, I'm all ears.... Because I can't come up with any.

Amos Umwhat

Seems like war to me. We've been using convenient excuses to circumvent the Constitution for so long it's become convention. Maybe people are truly just happier with an elected King, than a constitutional government. Certainly there was effort to consolidate power in the executive branch all through the first decade of this century, with little regard as to long term outcome.

lilwing88

rossdavey2

Theedge

What these countries lack are great spokespeople. I don’t see anyone standing up to declare that they have some framework they want to put into place, that is better than the one they have. How about some document at least declaring all men/women equal? Freedom of religion? The press? Something? Anything? Give me some reason to believe that the new leaders will be benevolent.

rossdavey2

Theedge:

What these countries lack are great spokespeople. I don’t see anyone standing up to declare that they have some framework they want to put into place, that is better than the one they have. How about some document at least declaring all men/women equal? Freedom of religion? The press? Something? Anything? Give me some reason to believe that the new leaders will be benevolent.

Good point.

Vulchor

I agree with you Jet-----and Wing, can we have any discussion without having to make it a political debate? I can name plenty of instances where the Right Wing has used force against an ememy as well, so why do you incessantly see the need to turn something political when it is really a statement about the country and consituation as a whole...not an attack on one person or party, or another?

lilwing88

Vulchor

Amos Umwhat

rossdavey2:

Theedge:

What these countries lack are great spokespeople. I don’t see anyone standing up to declare that they have some framework they want to put into place, that is better than the one they have. How about some document at least declaring all men/women equal? Freedom of religion? The press? Something? Anything? Give me some reason to believe that the new leaders will be benevolent.

Good point.

Very good point, a little clarity might help us in choosing who we support. What I like, is that these people are standing up for themselves, instead of waiting for "liberators" to arrive and tell them what to do. What is dangerous, is; who the heck are we to support? how do we avoid repeating the mistakes we've made time and time again in the past?

lilwing88

xmacro

But . . . but . . . but . . . Obama says its not a war, it's just a kinetic military operation

lilwing88

xmacro:

But . . . but . . . but . . . Obama says its not a war, it's just a kinetic military operation

Yea! And Michelle approves cuz it's "organic"!!! LOL!

jr_p951

You know...I do follow whats going on in the world but after a while of hearing about those types of things, I just tune it out. Either way I'd be going if they told me to. I'd rather read and follow about natural disasters or who we're helping over who's butt I'll be kicking next. I'm currently on my 5th combat tour in the 3rd different country. Making is a 6th combat tour in a 4th different country is just another day. I still lace up my boots and grab my pack. As long as I get paid on the 1st and 15th, its my job to serve and thats what I'll do. But we do have a right to an opinion on things and i see what your saying.

lilwing88

jr_p951:

You know...I do follow whats going on in the world but after a while of hearing about those types of things, I just tune it out. Either way I'd be going if they told me to. I'd rather read and follow about natural disasters or who we're helping over who's butt I'll be kicking next. I'm currently on my 5th combat tour in the 3rd different country. Making is a 6th combat tour in a 4th different country is just another day. I still lace up my boots and grab my pack. As long as I get paid on the 1st and 15th, its my job to serve and thats what I'll do. But we do have a right to an opinion on things and i see what your saying.

Thank you for your service and your input.

JCizzle

jr_p951:

As long as I get paid on the 1st and 15th...

+1 This is job security for a lot of folks.

Krieg

stephen_hannibal

Vidarien

Amos Umwhat

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that putting boots on the ground in Iran would be about as smart as drinking gasoline and lighting farts.

Vulchor

Schrooz

Why are we meddling in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation? If the citiizens of Lybia have the gumption to take on their governing powers let them go at it on their own. Why did we have to get involved? I am curious also.

clearlysuspect