Legality, is it really the line..

phobicsquirrel

Anyone notice that over the last 2 or so decades that things have gotten more and more out of hand? Is it the money? People with money are above the law? Is it that we "the people" have not done our jobs? Have we allowed this by being so divided? I guess I have more questions than anything. The recent issues these last few months have really been making me think. I could mention many things, one would be the torture of inmates in Quantomeno Bay, prosecute the soldiers but the men who ordered it and allowed it go free? Hmmm. Blackwater and how they can do anything they want, but US soldiers get prosecuted? A president and his administration breaks man laws, constitutional laws, and violates his oath of office, and nothing is done. Large companies get trillions of dollars but America continues to become more in debt and the people more and more divided and still not challenging the Govt. I don't know there are so many things I could mention. I'm a democrate but I sit on both sides of the fence. I think that there needs to be less divide between us and more unity. This far left, far right thing has been tearing this country apart for some time. People still want to ignore the fact that our usage of fossil fuels and emissions have put us in the global warming enigma, not to mention the state of the economy since we lost our exports and manufacturing. I won't even bring up the drug issues. We all know about the cigar laws trying or have went through. I don't feel that that should be legal, nor any other large taxes put on products.

j0z3r

laker1963

Luko

Dontcha think that two decades ago, old timers like us where wondering what the hell happened to the peace and bliss of the 60s and 70s?

phobicsquirrel

lol, yeah that's when it sort of started. Though corruption is and has been there. Though I think our current problems started when the credit got off the hook and the living wage started to dwindle. which was right around the end of the 70's. Seems as though people can really make a stance and pull together, so the govt had to make things tough so we wouldn't organize as much. which is what we are seeing now. Not to mention our jobs leaving the country and large corporations gave the US the finger.

bangalohr

Many people who live below the poverty line have cable tv. War hasn't even grazed the people of the US. We're all fat, happy, and dumb. More people care about the cost of gasoline than they do about their civil liberties. The rest of the world isn't wrong to hate America. I'm not a huge fan myself. It's easy to argue that what people around the world hate about us is our government, but even then, isn't our government by, for, and of the people? When Americans wake up to the reality that the power elite are in charge and are using the resources of a nation to profit themselves things might start to change. Sure as ***, though, it won't be long until we pull the wool back over our eyes and believe that a politician is on our side and is going to change things for the better. On the day that normal, honest, middle class, public school educated people run the government we will see some real change. Until then, light up end enjoy the things that you can do something about.

phobicsquirrel

very true but lighting up might be a problem and sooner than one thinks.. =(

gmill880

I'll decide what is good for myself and if it leads to my demise I will consider that GODS plan to keep the earth spinnin and the dumb from winnin'. What the h-ll did I just say? Way too much Makers Mark tonight .....

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j0z3r

Tumbler

Poor decisions have become the responsibility of all. The Gov't being the biggest perpetrator...

Luko

Stoogee

gmill880

Problem with letting everyone default is the domino effect...take the auto industry for example , the domestics, the "big three" fail and then the vendors and suppliers are crushed and then the imports,even Toyota suffer the effects and so on, I don't think if we want the economy to rebound anytime soon we can let that happen. I would be all for it if only the guilty were punished or put out of business. Unfortunatly it's like trying to seperate siamese twins who share one heart, some serious chit is going to happen if you try that.

Stoogee

Letting the big 3 fail would actually result in a buyout and a restructuring of there buisness and while it would be a major hit to unemployment and will cause even more of a drag on the economy it also goes against what I believe in and gives an unfair advantage to 3 companies in the auto industry in a capatalistic economy and will not solve the problem only delay it.

gmill880

I agree it leaves a sour taste however I don't think most people understand how far reaching the consequences are. Another thing I find interesting (and it may be because its the first time our generation has faced it first hand) is that these kind of bailouts have been going on for decades...example: 1907 financial crisis /meltdown when JP Morgan and a hand full of financiers helped prop up the good 'ol USA banking system which was about to fail coincidentally led to the forming of the federal reserve but a lot of people view this as something new...its not. Stoogee I agree it goes against what I believe as well and it is a shame that some people who have failed at their jobs and responsibilities will be rewarded for being incompotent. I'm sure we would all like to know if we went to work tommorrow and made a cluster-fawk outta what we each do that the government would send us a nice big check and tell us do better next time. I also agree with you that throwing money at it will not fix it, it won't be fixed untill someone is held accountable just like you and I are held accountable for our debts and anything we do in our daily life. It ain't fair buddy.....

bangalohr

A good economy is based on consumer confidence. If you believe that you'll have a job in a week, you're more willing to spend your money insted of save it. spending that money keeps the other guy in a job, which means he spends his money, which means you keep yours, which means you spend more... It's not all in our heads, but a good bit of it is.

bbc020

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