School Me on Everything Cigars

Just looking at the Padrons for sale right now. Habano. Maduro. 4000, 5000, Ambassador, Churchill. 6.54 X 54, 6.9 X 46. WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN? ARGH.

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Lakota72

Well I reference the following thread. http://www.cigar.com/cs/forums/thread/25762.aspx There, kuzi answers what you are asking about the Habano/Maduro. When I think maduro I usually think sweet and smooth. The last part of your post is with regards to size. Take the 6.54X54 for example. The first number is the length of a cigar. The second number is the guage/ring of a cigar ie how fat it is. The smaller the number the thinner the cigar.

kuzi16

ha ha... school you on everything.... thats funny.

read every thread on this forum and you will know about 20% of what the cigar world has to offer.

millennium115

this forum is the simply the best, search and you can find alot of useful things, tips. the review section is real good enjy brotha welcome

skweekz

Buy it. Smoke it. Enjoy it.

That's everything you need to know. The rest is just a bonus.

RampMonkey

skweekz:
Buy it. Smoke it. Enjoy it.

That's everything you need to know. The rest is just a bonus.

jr_p951

you could be here for days reading!! Just stick around and also dig through the newsletters. Good reads and lots of interesting stuff.

granneja

millennium115:
this forum is the simply the best, search and you can find alot of useful things, tips. the review section is real good enjy brotha welcome

+1, everyone is very helpful as well.

The Sniper

CLICK ON THIS LINK AND READ IT ALL. A great list that everyone should read when they come to the hobby, and will save you several "OH SH!T!" moments.

Ken Light

buldogs01:
Just looking at the Padrons for sale right now. Habano. Maduro. 4000, 5000, Ambassador, Churchill. 6.54 X 54, 6.9 X 46. WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN? ARGH.

Let's break this down by question.

1)Habano. Maduro. Those are types of wrappers, which is the outermost leaf of the cigar and provides more than half of the flavor (depending on wrapper to filler ratio). In general Maduro wrappers are going to taste a bit sweeter, because they undergo a more extensive curing process that brings out more sugars from the tobacco.

2) 4000, 5000. Those are blends under the Padron brand. They'll have different tobacco in them and will probably taste very different to you. Or not. But you need to find out yourself.

3) Ambassador, Churchill. Those are vitolas within the 4000 and 5000 blends. Different shapes and sizes of (roughly) the same blend. Many blenders alter the blends slightly to account for different vitolas. They might taste different to you. At first, maybe not. Again, find out for yourself.

4) The numbers. Those are actual measurements of the vitolas of the cigars listed. The first number (6.54 or 6.9) is the length of the cigar, in inches. The second number, (54 or 46) is the circumference of the cigar, in centimeters (I know, inches and centimeters together, it's either evil or some wonderful metric and arabic harmony...anyway...), which is also called the "ring guage." In general, larger ring guages can be smoked faster without getting hot and bitter, and will have less concentrated flavor. Smaller guages, well, the opposite is true. Again (see a theme going here?), personal preference, and you'll have to find out for yourself what you like.

Now, Kuzi, tell him everything I said wrong. I know I had to have screwed up something in there...

Ken Light

And one more thing. I told you what the words mean, to some extent. But here's what the fact that there are so many words means:

This is a life-long and very fulfilling hobby that will never get old, never get stale, and never leave you feeling like you know everything. Enjoy, and welcome to the club.

docbp87

I back the Kuzi School of Cigarducation.

Krieg

I have been smoking cigars for years, and I still learn something new everyday.

kuzi16

Ken Light:
buldogs01:
Just looking at the Padrons for sale right now. Habano. Maduro. 4000, 5000, Ambassador, Churchill. 6.54 X 54, 6.9 X 46. WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN? ARGH.
Let's break this down by question.

1)Habano. Maduro. Those are types of wrappers, which is the outermost leaf of the cigar and provides more than half of the flavor (depending on wrapper to filler ratio). In general Maduro wrappers are going to taste a bit sweeter, because they undergo a more extensive curing process that brings out more sugars from the tobacco.

2) 4000, 5000. Those are blends under the Padron brand. They'll have different tobacco in them and will probably taste very different to you. Or not. But you need to find out yourself.

3) Ambassador, Churchill. Those are vitolas within the 4000 and 5000 blends. Different shapes and sizes of (roughly) the same blend. Many blenders alter the blends slightly to account for different vitolas. They might taste different to you. At first, maybe not. Again, find out for yourself.

4) The numbers. Those are actual measurements of the vitolas of the cigars listed. The first number (6.54 or 6.9) is the length of the cigar, in inches. The second number, (54 or 46) is the circumference of the cigar, in centimeters (I know, inches and centimeters together, it's either evil or some wonderful metric and arabic harmony...anyway...), which is also called the "ring guage." In general, larger ring guages can be smoked faster without getting hot and bitter, and will have less concentrated flavor. Smaller guages, well, the opposite is true. Again (see a theme going here?), personal preference, and you'll have to find out for yourself what you like.

Now, Kuzi, tell him everything I said wrong. I know I had to have screwed up something in there...

the only minor detail is that the ring gauge is not the circumference in centimeters, it is the diameter in 64ths of an inch. so a cigar with a ring of 64 will measure one inch at the foot and a cigar with a ring of 50 will be 25/32nds of an inch at the foot.

im not sure if pardron actually changes the tobacco in their cigars in their original lineup (thousand series) but the ring and wrapper ratio and how the filler interacts within them is very different so they do have a very different tastes. the anniversary series are different from the original and different from themselves (26 vs 64).

Ken Light

kuzi16:
Ken Light:
buldogs01:
Just looking at the Padrons for sale right now. Habano. Maduro. 4000, 5000, Ambassador, Churchill. 6.54 X 54, 6.9 X 46. WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN? ARGH.
Let's break this down by question.

1)Habano. Maduro. Those are types of wrappers, which is the outermost leaf of the cigar and provides more than half of the flavor (depending on wrapper to filler ratio). In general Maduro wrappers are going to taste a bit sweeter, because they undergo a more extensive curing process that brings out more sugars from the tobacco.

2) 4000, 5000. Those are blends under the Padron brand. They'll have different tobacco in them and will probably taste very different to you. Or not. But you need to find out yourself.

3) Ambassador, Churchill. Those are vitolas within the 4000 and 5000 blends. Different shapes and sizes of (roughly) the same blend. Many blenders alter the blends slightly to account for different vitolas. They might taste different to you. At first, maybe not. Again, find out for yourself.

4) The numbers. Those are actual measurements of the vitolas of the cigars listed. The first number (6.54 or 6.9) is the length of the cigar, in inches. The second number, (54 or 46) is the circumference of the cigar, in centimeters (I know, inches and centimeters together, it's either evil or some wonderful metric and arabic harmony...anyway...), which is also called the "ring guage." In general, larger ring guages can be smoked faster without getting hot and bitter, and will have less concentrated flavor. Smaller guages, well, the opposite is true. Again (see a theme going here?), personal preference, and you'll have to find out for yourself what you like.

Now, Kuzi, tell him everything I said wrong. I know I had to have screwed up something in there...
the only minor detail is that the ring gauge is not the circumference in centimeters, it is the diameter in 64ths of an inch. so a cigar with a ring of 64 will measure one inch at the foot and a cigar with a ring of 50 will be 25/32nds of an inch at the foot.

im not sure if pardron actually changes the tobacco in their cigars in their original lineup (thousand series) but the ring and wrapper ratio and how the filler interacts within them is very different so they do have a very different tastes. the anniversary series are different from the original and different from themselves (26 vs 64).

I'd say that's a solid B- then. I really thought the gauge was in centimeters, I guess I figured it was the only measure that made sense. Who counts in 64ths? lol

alienmisprint

kuzi16:
ha ha... school you on everything.... thats funny.

read every thread on this forum and you will know about 20% of what the cigar world has to offer.

I did want to point out, that's not a bad percentage.

beatnic

Smoke em till your green. By then you will have learned the proper way.

Lakota72

Ken Light:
kuzi16:
Ken Light:
buldogs01:
Just looking at the Padrons for sale right now. Habano. Maduro. 4000, 5000, Ambassador, Churchill. 6.54 X 54, 6.9 X 46. WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN? ARGH.
Let's break this down by question.

1)Habano. Maduro. Those are types of wrappers, which is the outermost leaf of the cigar and provides more than half of the flavor (depending on wrapper to filler ratio). In general Maduro wrappers are going to taste a bit sweeter, because they undergo a more extensive curing process that brings out more sugars from the tobacco.

2) 4000, 5000. Those are blends under the Padron brand. They'll have different tobacco in them and will probably taste very different to you. Or not. But you need to find out yourself.

3) Ambassador, Churchill. Those are vitolas within the 4000 and 5000 blends. Different shapes and sizes of (roughly) the same blend. Many blenders alter the blends slightly to account for different vitolas. They might taste different to you. At first, maybe not. Again, find out for yourself.

4) The numbers. Those are actual measurements of the vitolas of the cigars listed. The first number (6.54 or 6.9) is the length of the cigar, in inches. The second number, (54 or 46) is the circumference of the cigar, in centimeters (I know, inches and centimeters together, it's either evil or some wonderful metric and arabic harmony...anyway...), which is also called the "ring guage." In general, larger ring guages can be smoked faster without getting hot and bitter, and will have less concentrated flavor. Smaller guages, well, the opposite is true. Again (see a theme going here?), personal preference, and you'll have to find out for yourself what you like.

Now, Kuzi, tell him everything I said wrong. I know I had to have screwed up something in there...
the only minor detail is that the ring gauge is not the circumference in centimeters, it is the diameter in 64ths of an inch. so a cigar with a ring of 64 will measure one inch at the foot and a cigar with a ring of 50 will be 25/32nds of an inch at the foot.

im not sure if pardron actually changes the tobacco in their cigars in their original lineup (thousand series) but the ring and wrapper ratio and how the filler interacts within them is very different so they do have a very different tastes. the anniversary series are different from the original and different from themselves (26 vs 64).
I'd say that's a solid B- then. I really thought the gauge was in centimeters, I guess I figured it was the only measure that made sense. Who counts in 64ths? lol

I think you were thinking millimeters possibly. If it was a 64 centimeter circumference, I would almost have the circumference of a backetball. 2.54 centimeters per inch.

Good think Kuzi clarified.

JudoChinX

Definitely definitely check out kuzi's threads. Fantastic information there and lots of it.

RBeckom

Great informative answer.

Lasabar

Cigars are Cylindical
Some taste bad
Some taste bad to YOU, but not others
They need moisture and temp control
Cut them first
Don't let your woman bltch to you about them
Smoke them by lighting them on fire
Don't give out GOOD sticks to family members or friends who have only smoked Black-n-milds
Buy them from Cigar.com...

That about does it

granneja

Lasabar:
Cigars are Cylindical
Some taste bad
Some taste bad to YOU, but not others
They need moisture and temp control
Cut them first
Don't let your woman bltch to you about them
Smoke them by lighting them on fire
Don't give out GOOD sticks to family members or friends who have only smoked Black-n-milds
Buy them from Cigar.com...

That about does it

Lol, right on Lassie. Especially with handing out the good sticks.

kaspera79

Lasabar:
Cigars are Cylindical
Some taste bad
Some taste bad to YOU, but not others
They need moisture and temp control
Cut them first
Don't let your woman bltch to you about them
Smoke them by lighting them on fire
Don't give out GOOD sticks to family members or friends who have only smoked Black-n-milds
Buy them from Cigar.com...

That about does it

Yeah..who handed out PSD #4s last year and found them all over the yard with only about an inch smoked. I lost sleep when I read that one.

Lasabar

kaspera79:
Lasabar:
Cigars are Cylindical
Some taste bad
Some taste bad to YOU, but not others
They need moisture and temp control
Cut them first
Don't let your woman bltch to you about them
Smoke them by lighting them on fire
Don't give out GOOD sticks to family members or friends who have only smoked Black-n-milds
Buy them from Cigar.com...

That about does it
Yeah..who handed out PSD #4s last year and found them all over the yard with only about an inch smoked. I lost sleep when I read that one.

I've tried to curb this habit... The last time I got a buddy over who didn't smoke and we were pulling from the bottle of Fiddich I busted out the Casa Magna Colorado Robustos' with a couple years on 'em.... At least THAT time it was only a $6 cigar.... but still, prolly shoulda grabbed the Padilla Obsidian's instead

bigmatt72

The Sniper:
CLICK ON THIS LINK AND READ IT ALL. A great list that everyone should read when they come to the hobby, and will save you several "OH SH!T!" moments.

Great Read, it answered the two questions I had as to whether or not to remove the cellophane wrapper that each cigar comes in to store in the humidor. I was also curious as to whether or not I could use a butane lighter if it would foul up the taste.

As to Judochin's post, looks like I'll be going to wallyworld to pick up a butane lighter, I won't be lighting cigars anymore with a match as I drive down the road on long drives, man that was difficult.

Ken Light

Lakota72:
Ken Light:
kuzi16:
Ken Light:
buldogs01:
Just looking at the Padrons for sale right now. Habano. Maduro. 4000, 5000, Ambassador, Churchill. 6.54 X 54, 6.9 X 46. WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN? ARGH.
Let's break this down by question.

1)Habano. Maduro. Those are types of wrappers, which is the outermost leaf of the cigar and provides more than half of the flavor (depending on wrapper to filler ratio). In general Maduro wrappers are going to taste a bit sweeter, because they undergo a more extensive curing process that brings out more sugars from the tobacco.

2) 4000, 5000. Those are blends under the Padron brand. They'll have different tobacco in them and will probably taste very different to you. Or not. But you need to find out yourself.

3) Ambassador, Churchill. Those are vitolas within the 4000 and 5000 blends. Different shapes and sizes of (roughly) the same blend. Many blenders alter the blends slightly to account for different vitolas. They might taste different to you. At first, maybe not. Again, find out for yourself.

4) The numbers. Those are actual measurements of the vitolas of the cigars listed. The first number (6.54 or 6.9) is the length of the cigar, in inches. The second number, (54 or 46) is the circumference of the cigar, in centimeters (I know, inches and centimeters together, it's either evil or some wonderful metric and arabic harmony...anyway...), which is also called the "ring guage." In general, larger ring guages can be smoked faster without getting hot and bitter, and will have less concentrated flavor. Smaller guages, well, the opposite is true. Again (see a theme going here?), personal preference, and you'll have to find out for yourself what you like.

Now, Kuzi, tell him everything I said wrong. I know I had to have screwed up something in there...
the only minor detail is that the ring gauge is not the circumference in centimeters, it is the diameter in 64ths of an inch. so a cigar with a ring of 64 will measure one inch at the foot and a cigar with a ring of 50 will be 25/32nds of an inch at the foot.

im not sure if pardron actually changes the tobacco in their cigars in their original lineup (thousand series) but the ring and wrapper ratio and how the filler interacts within them is very different so they do have a very different tastes. the anniversary series are different from the original and different from themselves (26 vs 64).
I'd say that's a solid B- then. I really thought the gauge was in centimeters, I guess I figured it was the only measure that made sense. Who counts in 64ths? lol
I think you were thinking millimeters possibly. If it was a 64 centimeter circumference, I would almost have the circumference of a backetball. 2.54 centimeters per inch.

Good think Kuzi clarified.

Hahaha, I just saw this, nice catch. Yeah, I definitely meant millimeters. I do that in my lab sometimes too...milliliters and microliters look a lot different than they sound, lol

DSWarmack

Lasabar:
Cigars are Cylindical
Some taste bad
Some taste bad to YOU, but not others
They need moisture and temp control
Cut them first
Don't let your woman bltch to you about them
Smoke them by lighting them on fire
Don't give out GOOD sticks to family members or friends who have only smoked Black-n-milds
Buy them from Cigar.com...

That about does it

alienmisprint:
kuzi16:
ha ha... school you on everything.... thats funny.

read every thread on this forum and you will know about 20% of what the cigar world has to offer.

I did want to point out, that's not a bad percentage.

That percentage only applies when you read just Kuzi's posts. There are some posts I have seen here which have sucked knowledge out of me and I've had to wait for Kuzi to come along and re-inculcate me with the smarts I lost. Those are few and far between though.