SCHIP Tax House Bill

alphax3

kuzi16

though this is an improvement, it is still a poor way to rase funds for anything. the fact that it is a socialized system is a totally different issue that i am also against.

madurofan

kuzi16:

though this is an improvement, it is still a poor way to rase funds for anything. the fact that it is a socialized system is a totally different issue that i am also against.

Agreed.

Krieg

kuzi16:

though this is an improvement, it is still a poor way to rase funds for anything. the fact that it is a socialized system is a totally different issue that i am also against.

agree 100%

laker1963

kuzi16

Tumbler

I am sorry, but this is ridiculous...

j0z3r

Luko

Actually SCHIP has been very successful, and provided health care coverage for 6 million kids. The bill would expand it to 10 million kids. I'm against socialism too and I'm not a fan of taxes. But I think all kids deserve equal access to the best possible medical care. (disclaimer, I work at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh)

phobicsquirrel

Yeah but not at the expense of raising already heavy taxes on cigars. I say go after cutting welfare, or tapping/raising cigarette taxes either for them or the companies themselves. using "kids' to raise taxes or put fees on things is just F'd up. It's such a cliche'.

phobicsquirrel

Or hey, why not tax the funds of all these celebrities? I'm sorry but 30+ million for a freaking film is just ludicrious! Athletes I can see getting paid a few to several million as they only last for a few years and their bodies get pretty mangled, but celebs in film and tv don't need that much. Hell I'd rather see sitcom actors get paid more than most movie stars, crap, a whole season on tight schedules vs 3 months of work... hmmm, let me see....

Luko

lvlaw

Kids need medical coverage ... period.  I have no problem with that.  The 40 cents cap per cigar could have been much worse had the former versions been signed into law.  ($3.00 per cigar)!

 

The problem is still in policing the program.  The fight now seems to be whether to allow immigrant children to receive coverage under this program, and the concern that illegal immigrants' children will be covered throught the legal immigrants. 

 

Also, how can the government make sure that people who sign up for this do not have private insurance available first through their employers, which the law will apparently require?  Tell me a single parent earning a modest income who does not want to have to pay for their childrens' medical insurance not covered by their employer will not try to take advantage of this.  It is undeniably going to happen in large doses. 

 

It is a clear step toward socialized coverage cloaked under the guise of helping kids.

Stoogee

I dont think anyone has aa problem with kids getting health care. The problem I have is this is another tax. The real problem is that the government continues to want more and more of my money and pretty much everything they touch they screw up and then the answer is they need more of my money to fix it when the truth is they are just inefficient and wasteful and constanltly want to create more and more programs that will fail.

phobicsquirrel

well this .40 will only get bigger. I agree it's better than before but what we see here is something that one we can't vote for and another that taxing is way out of hand. I've said it before, nothing is worth taking money from people who already are being taken from. If the govt wants to spend more money on projects or anything else it needs to bring back real paying jobs and go back to being the #1 exporter of goods, PERIOD. Again using "Kids" as a reason to TAX things is just wrong. Not saying that children, well matter of fact ANYONE deserves good healthcare. It's just that simple. I'm a little confused though, so some people are against a national health care system but okay with taxing citizens more and more for childrens healthcare? It seems Ironic to me that one of the main principles for US leaving the grips of England was due to taxes and now we seem to be being taxed much more and it's getting worse. Taxes aren't the answer and I for one am not down for anything that will continue to tax me. Just my opinion but there are other means to receive funding.

phobicsquirrel

Luko

PuroFreak

PuroFreak

Ok, well I'm not going to say it IS a marketing snow job, but it could very easily be. I guess saying it "IS" a snow job is going a bit far, but it just sounds like a doomed system to me.

madurofan

madurofan

PuroFreak

madurofan

rwheelwright

PuroFreak

zoom6zoom

children under 30? Who came up with that definition? "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money". - Margaret Thatcher, I believe.

phobicsquirrel

laker1963

Luko

It's not "children under 30." In PA, and I believe in most, if not every other state in the nation, it's kids under age 19.

Luko

PuroFreak

Laker: If the government wants money they can open a F'N chain of 7-11's!!! haha No seriously though. If they would cut so much of the crap spending that goes on there would be WAY more than enough money to provide for this program. These idiots are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on studying how it hurts the environment when a cow farts... That is just one of HUNDREDS of examples of things that need to be cut to save money. Also, they could revamp the welfare system in our country and that would save millions of dollars. There are soooo many ways to cut spending so that this country would have a huge surplus of money. Raising taxes on ANYTHING is the wrong thing to do. They can't budget the money they have now so they expect us to want to give them even more to piss away???