havanaal:It's a sad sad day when people have to form organizations dedicated to protecting rights that were taken for granted for hundreds of years. Calls to mind my experience in Caracas, Venezuela last year. I bought a Cuban Fonseca in a tobacco shop, then went upstairs to an open air type restaurant. Before lighting up, I asked the waiter, "Is it okay to smoke in here?" His answer: "Of course, Senior. It's a free country." Yes, much of the world understands freedom better than the "Land of the Free". As for the CRA, I am 100% convinced they are fighting a futile fight. If I thought they could reverse the trend, I would send them money. I am somewhat closely connected to New York's war on tobacco (I have a cousin highly placed in the Health Dept) so I hear about every initiative that's coming down the pike. It looks very very bad.
Garen B:Try living in California where we have organizations like Smoke Free California and crap legislature such as one going through the system right now trying to ban smoking in common areas in apartments. The idiotic family that started that piece of legislature did it because the area where people smoke irritated their daughter's asthma. For God's sake they are banning smoking because some little girl has a scratchy throat and don't even get me started on the idiotic report I saw about the hidden dangers of THIRD HAND SMOKE. No not first hand inhalation, not even second hand inhalation, but inhalation of smoke particles that are in the area where someone smoked hours ago or the clothes that people are wearing who smoke.Wish we didn't have such idiots in control of this state.
Luko: As the parent of a little girl with asthma, I'd say callling it "a scratchy throat" is a tad on uninformed side. Second-hand smoke is one of the most common triggers for asthma. I'm not trying to overdramaticize it, but I'm spent more than one night in the emergency department watching my daughter gasp for breath.
Garen B: Luko: As the parent of a little girl with asthma, I'd say callling it "a scratchy throat" is a tad on uninformed side. Second-hand smoke is one of the most common triggers for asthma. I'm not trying to overdramaticize it, but I'm spent more than one night in the emergency department watching my daughter gasp for breath. You are right, as I am on the uninformed side of dealing with asthma, I'm sorry if I offended you. It sucks to be in emergency room where you can't do anything (I have had a reoccurring problem that has me sent to the ER every year or 2, just got it fixed this winter.) I am just angry that there are even fewer places to smoke in California, we're now down to just cigar bars and your home it seems, in a few years maybe not even that
madurofan:I've been chatting about this for quite some time. I feel it is wrong to force a business to ban the use of a legal product in their establishment if they so choose. I, however, also enjoy going to restaurants and bars that do not allow smoking.
madurofan: I've had the idea that instead of banning it all together they should make it more appealing for businesses to be smoke free. They could use tax incentives, grants, etc. That way a good majority of businesses would go smoke free but some would still allow smoking to pick up those customers who so choose. I'd also be completely for requiring smoking establishments to install better ventilation systems. I was in a Cigar Bar in Tulsa and they had a ventilation system that you could watch the smoke go right off your cigar and up into the vents 12 ft up in the ceiling. Anyways just a thought of mine.
havanaal:Mixed feelings are understandable, if you look at personal liberty as something that infringes on your own rights, i.e. exposure to cigarette smoke. If they stopped at current bans on smoking, I would continue to happily smoke on my deck, on the golf course, on dog walks, and at my favorite outdoor establishments, and I wouldn't give it another thought. Unfortunately, they never stop with simple reasonable restrictions on anything they don't like. If you're lived long enough in this country (I was born in the 50's) you know I'm right.
kuzi16: madurofan:I've been chatting about this for quite some time. I feel it is wrong to force a business to ban the use of a legal product in their establishment if they so choose. I, however, also enjoy going to restaurants and bars that do not allow smoking.yes before ohio was "smoke free" I would go to places that didnt have smoking because i felt tat was the right way to handle it. It should be the right of the owner to decide what is right for the business, not a government mandate.
kuzi16: madurofan: I've had the idea that instead of banning it all together they should make it more appealing for businesses to be smoke free. They could use tax incentives, grants, etc. That way a good majority of businesses would go smoke free but some would still allow smoking to pick up those customers who so choose. I'd also be completely for requiring smoking establishments to install better ventilation systems. I was in a Cigar Bar in Tulsa and they had a ventilation system that you could watch the smoke go right off your cigar and up into the vents 12 ft up in the ceiling. Anyways just a thought of mine. i see what you are saying with that Idea. I dont knwo if i agree with that because it still taxes someone for the choice to allow a legal product to be used. I would like to see what france does:All smoking sections must be sectioned off with walls and separate ventilation for the non and smoking sections. no server or worker is forced to work in the smoking section. they do so by choice. I could get behind that. I hate cigarette smoke. I never used to sit in the smoking section. I wouldnt again if there was one.
Luko: Garen B: Luko: As the parent of a little girl with asthma, I'd say callling it "a scratchy throat" is a tad on uninformed side. Second-hand smoke is one of the most common triggers for asthma. I'm not trying to overdramaticize it, but I'm spent more than one night in the emergency department watching my daughter gasp for breath. You are right, as I am on the uninformed side of dealing with asthma, I'm sorry if I offended you. It sucks to be in emergency room where you can't do anything (I have had a reoccurring problem that has me sent to the ER every year or 2, just got it fixed this winter.) I am just angry that there are even fewer places to smoke in California, we're now down to just cigar bars and your home it seems, in a few years maybe not even that No apologies needed...I wasn't offended. As for the rights of cigar smokers, I'm kinda torn. I absolutely hate cigarette smoke and could swear I'm allergic. Here in PA we've gone to a smoking ban and if I spend all night in the bar now, I come home not reaking of cigarette smoke and I swear I feel better. So part of me is fine with not having cigarette smoke in bars/restaurants. But at the same time, at places where they allow cigarette smoking, I've been told more than once cigars aren't allowed.
madurofan: I was in a Cigar Bar in Tulsa and they had a ventilation system that you could watch the smoke go right off your cigar and up into the vents 12 ft up in the ceiling. Anyways just a thought of mine.
These Filthy Hands: madurofan: I was in a Cigar Bar in Tulsa and they had a ventilation system that you could watch the smoke go right off your cigar and up into the vents 12 ft up in the ceiling. Anyways just a thought of mine.You should have seen the old ventalation system in the B&M I used to go to. It was just a fan infront of a propped open door. The owner has since installed a good vent system that takes care of the smoke instead of pushing it around.
rdpitts43:Oh this really twist me good. I went into a fantastic smoke shop in Omaha, Cigarro's (cigarros.com) and bought about $80 bucks worth of premium cigars and could not smoke a one of them in their establishment because the smoking ordinance prohibited smoking in places that serve alcohol. WTF! is going on in America, let the owner of the business decide if it is smoke free or not, for the love of crud why doesn't the government just bring back prohibition? If you live near Omaha please let me know of a good place to go smoke a cigar.
