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jihiggs

what blows me away is obama says he is going to cut the defficit by 2/3 by taxing the rich. what do you classify the rich? another source I saw said that 96% of americans would qualify for a tax break. so hes going to collect countless trillions from 4% of the american population????????? those people are going to go live in canadia for sure.

Bad Andy

250k is their idea of rich

rwheelwright

That's what he said in the begining before he was elected but as time went on he brought that figure down to 120k.

kaspera79

Yeah, last night he said " any one who makes less than 250 K, their taxes will not go up one dime.. And in fact 95% of those people will see a tax reduction. " Does anyone here fit in that tax bracket ? It all sounds good, lets see how it all works out.

kuzi16

the problem with socialism is that eventually the government runs out of other peoples money.

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phobicsquirrel

I don't see why I hear socialism so much on here? there is no socialism going on. When healthcare is brought up in the sense of a national healthcare system, SOCIALISM! I mean it works very well in other civialized countries. Our healthcare currently sucks and wastes a lot of money. Obama has other ideas on getting money than just taxing the super rich. I doubt that the top 10percent really pay 50% of taxes. I've said it before, taxing will only get you so far, it's in manufacturing and exporting that brings in the money. As well as being smart on spending. Obama gets it, that's what he's doing. I think a lot of you will be surprised on how things will be in the next few years. Give it a chance. I'm about to quite my job and do my business full time and right now it scares me because I can't afford my own healthcare, it's really a crappy situation. I have the VA I can go too but if you've ever been to a VA you know what I mean. We all know that the policies of the last admin don't work and have done major damage but it goes further than that, Regan really pushed for the policys that got us this far. It doesn't work, and besides whats wrong with something a bit different. Yes I'm a democrat and yes I consider myself a liberal and a progressive but at the same time I also don't agree with everything in my party or their agenda. I like some republican ideas but right now the party is really screwed up. Too much "me" syndrome. Basically most of my friends are Rep. and most of them do not like what has happened over the last several years with their party. The party has changed, mostly due to the far right ideas and "neo" cons. No stint against the Rep party, just the extreamists. I can say the same thing with the far left, they piss me off.

phobicsquirrel

..and about giving corporations money, yes that is something I do not agree with, I feel that they should fail, but that would mean massive more job losses. I do feel that is not an option but I do feel that maybe "socialistic" things should be done to those companies to fix the problem. Mainly fire the damn ceo's and get people in there that will do the job. It makes me sick that we helped out the auto industry and they are still firing people, that should not stand.

kuzi16

kuzi16

phobicsquirrel:

..and about giving corporations money, yes that is something I do not agree with, I feel that they should fail, but that would mean massive more job losses. I do feel that is not an option but I do feel that maybe "socialistic" things should be done to those companies to fix the problem. Mainly fire the damn ceo's and get people in there that will do the job. It makes me sick that we helped out the auto industry and they are still firing people, that should not stand.

a failing company will not get better if you throw money at it. the government took over the auto industry. Once the government gives them money the auto industy is in the governments pocket. they are forcing them to make cars the way the government wants not the way that people buying cars want. if the government ensures jobs they would have to use tax money to ensure them. this IS socialism. and its crap.

kuzi16

phobicsquirrel

kuzi16:

phobicsquirrel:

..and about giving corporations money, yes that is something I do not agree with, I feel that they should fail, but that would mean massive more job losses. I do feel that is not an option but I do feel that maybe "socialistic" things should be done to those companies to fix the problem. Mainly fire the damn ceo's and get people in there that will do the job. It makes me sick that we helped out the auto industry and they are still firing people, that should not stand.

a failing company will not get better if you throw money at it. the government took over the auto industry. Once the government gives them money the auto industy is in the governments pocket. they are forcing them to make cars the way the government wants not the way that people buying cars want. if the government ensures jobs they would have to use tax money to ensure them. this IS socialism. and its crap.

The govt wants cars to be less dependent on gas and oil. the auto industry has had the means to do this for the last decade, but they wanted money. people will buy anything really, and if the auto industry had pushed away from oil and the consumption of gasoline than there would be no need for govt intervention. Back in the 90's there were prototypes being made to run on water and batteries but that was either smashed by big oil, or other business's (what ever which it was). If that wouldn't have happened than it would be a different story right now for "our" industry. I remember reading in popular mechanics in 99 about a hydrogen car prototype that would be out for the public by 2004 or something, well that was killed due to the corruption and money hat oil brings. if that had worked we would have been on the for-front of world with the technology but no, we still have the same old sh*t. Govt has a responsibility to intervene if companies are not doing their job, that means banks, or any other organization.

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