Cuba willing to "talk"

pelirrojo

JDH

When I clicked on this link, it went to the JR Cigars website.

wwestern

I'm a believer that a lift on the embargo will only hurt the quality of CCs, such an influx in demand could really do some damage to the quality we expect in some CC brands.

pelirrojo

Thanks JDH. I just cut and pasted out of the "how to format posts" thread. I fixed it.

j0z3r

wwestern:

I'm a believer that a lift on the embargo will only hurt the quality of CCs, such an influx in demand could really do some damage to the quality we expect in some CC brands.

I agree...besides, Cuba has a hard enough time with QC as it is.

Ken Light

wwestern:

I'm a believer that a lift on the embargo will only hurt the quality of CCs, such an influx in demand could really do some damage to the quality we expect in some CC brands.

Only at first, I'd assume. Of course, lots of people would lose the flavor boost they get by the thought of smoking something not everyone can get their hands on...

phobicsquirrel

There's not much political about Cuba, I mean china is a lot worse. The whole Cuban thing was stupid and made no sense. As dd the cold war. I do agree that there could be a huge QC issue with CC but then again they do have that right now.

Scrambler

Hopefully, Cubatabaco would resist the urge to pump out massive quantities of inferior product. Prices would go up though if supply remained steady. Imagine all the counterfeit cigars you'll see though... Instead of flooding tourist areas in Latin America with fakes, the fakes will be offered all over the U.S.

camgfs

phobicsquirrel

j0z3r

laker1963

j0z3r

catfishbluezz

In 5 years, I'd love to see what happens. For now, a bunch o morons would freak. Personally, I think it would put pressure on them to produce better quality. I doubt counterfeiting would hurt, as honestly...one their legal there is no need. I'd just really like to see what DPG or Kelner could do with it...nomnomnom.

Scrambler

catfishbluezz:

I doubt counterfeiting would hurt, as honestly...one their legal there is no need..

They are perfectly legal to sell now in Mexico, Bahamas, Jamaica, etc, but the vast majority available on the market in these places are fakes. This could just be opportunism because uninformed tourists look for Cuban cigars when they travel, but I think it has more to do with demand exceeding supply.

catfishbluezz:

I'd just really like to see what DPG or Kelner could do with it...nomnomnom.

I'm not sure Cubatabaco would sell Cuban grown leaf to other producers.

catfishbluezz

Scrambler:

catfishbluezz:

I doubt counterfeiting would hurt, as honestly...one their legal there is no need..

They are perfectly legal to sell now in Mexico, Bahamas, Jamaica, etc, but the vast majority available on the market in these places are fakes. This could just be opportunism because uninformed tourists look for Cuban cigars when they travel, but I think it has more to do with demand exceeding supply.

catfishbluezz:

I'd just really like to see what DPG or Kelner could do with it...nomnomnom.

I'm not sure Cubatabaco would sell Cuban grown leaf to other producers.

As of now, the tobacco is not readily available to the US, and just like any other contraband, once it is the need to counterfeit will subside a bit as we are the biggest consumers of stuff we can't get. I'm not saying it will go away, but do you see fake Padron's, Davidoff's, etc...? I don't see why they wouldn't sell to guys like Kelner. From what I understand, the biz is all about who you know, mafia, politicians, etc... I'd don't see why it would be any harder then any of the other countries. Being that many of these cats spent time in Cuba or defected, I do not think they'd have a hard time establishing those lines of trade when the consumer demands it. I have a few cuban/nic blends that I am going to jump into the next week or so. I am extremely excited to see what they are like.

JDH

kuzi16

kuzi16

JDH

JDH

Can you imagine what a wonderful day that would be for all the exiles, for all those who were forced to leave Cuba?

Scrambler

catfishbluezz

Scrambler

catfishbluezz:

Given the lack of age, I don't think you'd see the true blenders rushing to get thier product out.

I just looked back at when we had pretty much this same discussion here back in 2009, and I had posted that Rocky Patel told me at an event that he thought it would take at least a decade to get any decent tobacco he would want to use from Cuba, because the soil is so trashed, and the lack of age on what's available.

catfishbluezz

Scrambler:

catfishbluezz:

Given the lack of age, I don't think you'd see the true blenders rushing to get thier product out.

I just looked back at when we had pretty much this same discussion here back in 2009, and I had posted that Rocky Patel told me at an event that he thought it would take at least a decade to get any decent tobacco he would want to use from Cuba, because the soil is so trashed, and the lack of age on what's available.

Which is why I think the market for the puris would initially boom then fade until they catch up. Oddly enough, had a rookie smoker turn down an ISOM last night and told me he heard they aren't aged and suck. I chuckled a bit

Gaetano7890

I think that in time the cc would get better. Imagine a lot of talented people left Cuba to produce cigars imagine if they collaborated. Also increase in pay would def help the cc and it's makers I think after the initial boom we could see great things. I know the few had have had the luxury of smoking a cc from the Batista days still talk about them. I guess we will see.

rzaman

rzaman

Rocky said that because he wants the smoker in the US to feel that they are getting more taste quality from his cigar. This is a commercial statement so people buy his non-Cuban cigar. I have no problem if any cigar maker say, my cigar has some unique flavor and aroma compares to Cuban. On top of that even if he wants he can not get Cuban tobacco. I have been in Nicaragua three and half years and many blenders and cigar makers expressed their frustration for not having Cuban tobacco. Cuba has come long way and use aged tobaccos. On top of that Rocky never been to Ponar Del Rio or tried tobacco from there. I would say, his information is trash. Each cigar producing country offer us certain unique flavor and aroma. However, Cuban cigars are not less than any other country. On top of that some of them are far supirior than many over hyped non- Cuban brands.

Scrambler:

catfishbluezz:

Given the lack of age, I don't think you'd see the true blenders rushing to get thier product out.

I just looked back at when we had pretty much this same discussion here back in 2009, and I had posted that Rocky Patel told me at an event that he thought it would take at least a decade to get any decent tobacco he would want to use from Cuba, because the soil is so trashed, and the lack of age on what's available.

blurr

laker1963

j0z3r