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  • webmostwebmost Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 3,131
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  • webmostwebmost Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 3,131
    No. The constitution says nothing of the sort. It says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof "
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  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
    Thomas Jefferson, the country's first Progressive.
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
    webmost:
    No. The constitution says nothing of the sort. It says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof "
    That is correct. The Constitution does not mention the seperation of Church & State, but it does not establish the United States as a Christian Nation either. I'm sure you are aware of the discussion of the seperation of church & state in the Federalsit Papars, and why the founding fathers feared the prospect of the church merging with the government or acquiring political power because of the actions of the Church of England.
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 7,349
    JDH:
    webmost:
    No. The constitution says nothing of the sort. It says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof "
    That is correct. The Constitution does not mention the seperation of Church & State, but it does not establish the United States as a Christian Nation either. I'm sure you are aware of the discussion of the seperation of church & state in the Federalsit Papars, and why the founding fathers feared the prospect of the church merging with the government or acquiring political power because of the actions of the Church of England.
    Yup.
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
    beatnic:
    Thomas Jefferson, the country's first Progressive.
    Not quite, that would have beenTeddy Roosevelt, probably my favorite President.
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    JDH:
    Yes I do believe that. Just examine the % of the black population that has been imprisioned as a result of the drug war in the last 30 years. I never would have believed that people could be stopped and strip searched because they weren't wearing a seat belt, or be required to piss in a cup at any time to satisy either an employer or a cop. I truly believe that if life is legally defined as begining at conception, then it will naturally follow that a criminal investigation must be conducted every time a miscarriage occurs, and manywill be imprisioned as a result. What if she ran a marathon the day before, or if she had a couple of glasses of wine, or etc, etc, etc. People will want their pound of flesh for the "destruction of innocent life" because of behavior they do not approve of, and womenwill be incarcerated. Mark my words.
    I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this point. Consider your words marked. Just let me say, I don't see it happening, not one fellow pro-lifer I know would support this, and I can't not vote my conscience even if some may try to twist a law designed to protect one group of innocents to persecute another equally blameless group.
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
    jthanatos:
    JDH:
    Yes I do believe that. Just examine the % of the black population that has been imprisioned as a result of the drug war in the last 30 years. I never would have believed that people could be stopped and strip searched because they weren't wearing a seat belt, or be required to piss in a cup at any time to satisy either an employer or a cop. I truly believe that if life is legally defined as begining at conception, then it will naturally follow that a criminal investigation must be conducted every time a miscarriage occurs, and manywill be imprisioned as a result. What if she ran a marathon the day before, or if she had a couple of glasses of wine, or etc, etc, etc. People will want their pound of flesh for the "destruction of innocent life" because of behavior they do not approve of, and womenwill be incarcerated. Mark my words.
    I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this point. Consider your words marked. Just let me say, I don't see it happening, not one fellow pro-lifer I know would support this, and I can't not vote my conscience even if some may try to twist a law designed to protect one group of innocents to persecute another equally blameless group.
    I hope to God you are right...
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