Romney Insight

phobicsquirrel

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/mitt-romneys-tithe-doesnt-go-common-good

Vulchor

Separation of church and state huh, lol.

jgibv

beatnic

jgibv

beatnic

jgibv

phobicsquirrel

xmacro

At least he doesn't think we have 56 States, or a small business owner didn't build their own business. And you'll notice that Biden said "ya'll", not "us" - as in, "Repubs are going to put ya'll back in chains, but I'll be fine"

beatnic

Vulchor

Barack is right....small business owners didnt build their own business. Without the roads funded by govt, often govt loans, some protections for small business, ect. No one builds something on their own, there is always someone else to assist in life....thats why we are a society and a people, not strictly individuals. I was amazed by the right wing for jumping on this as well, because wouldnt they be the first to say they cant do anything without god?

kuzi16

kuzi16

beatnic

Vulchor:

Barack is right....small business owners didnt build their own business. Without the roads funded by govt, often govt loans, some protections for small business, ect. No one builds something on their own, there is always someone else to assist in life....thats why we are a society and a people, not strictly individuals. I was amazed by the right wing for jumping on this as well, because wouldnt they be the first to say they cant do anything without god?

I built my consulting business by taking out a 1/4M dollar loan. I paid it back. Since I work for energy companies, I'm held to certain standards as to insurance, mandated by the government. Just wrote a check for $23K. My personal taxes are based on the total income of my business, not my take home pay. I'm one of those who gross over $250 in business that they want to increase taxes for even though my take home pay is in the mid 10k range. I own my own equipment, office, and offer my employees healthcare insurance. I pay for retirement investment help and a CPA to keep current with the ever changing tax laws. For the life of me, I can't think of one thing the government has done for me. Don't even get me started on state-controlled worker's comp. You can talk till you're blue in the face, Vulchor. I built my business. The funny thing is, I would gladly expand my business and hire many more employees if the regulations allowed me to. He's killing small business. Face the truth dude. Have a good evening.

JDH

Vulchor

Well then Kuz, Beat, and other business owners we will have to agree to disagree. You can take words and twist them anyway you want---as I am ccused of doing by some here as well btw. The way I took hius statement, and the way I feel about it is that it is not done on your own. The roads needed to get to where you are were govt financed. The education you recvd to put you in the position you are, were paid by tax dollars-----and not just yours. Your parents, friends, influences, ect. all helped to get you where you are and your business where it is. You can tout your accoimplishment until youre blue in the face, but give some credit where it is due. There is no self made man. There are med who work harder and do more than others, but NO ONE does everything on their own. We are certainly deservoing of credit for out hard work, but so are the others who helped us get here.

JDH

kuzi16

kuzi16

Vulchor

I dont think it diminishes your efforts at all, it just shows that everything and everyone are reliant in some way on others and the services they provide or assistance they impart. To not ackonwledge that, or the poeple who helped get you where you are today, seems to dimish the effort of many people who helped you become who you are.

JDH

beatnic

Vulchor:

Well then Kuz, Beat, and other business owners we will have to agree to disagree. You can take words and twist them anyway you want---as I am ccused of doing by some here as well btw. The way I took hius statement, and the way I feel about it is that it is not done on your own. The roads needed to get to where you are were govt financed. The education you recvd to put you in the position you are, were paid by tax dollars-----and not just yours. Your parents, friends, influences, ect. all helped to get you where you are and your business where it is. You can tout your accoimplishment until youre blue in the face, but give some credit where it is due. There is no self made man. There are med who work harder and do more than others, but NO ONE does everything on their own. We are certainly deservoing of credit for out hard work, but so are the others who helped us get here.

Next time you're in a government owned library, look up that story about all of the early inhabitants of your great state. They were called pioneers. Not sure what that means, but I trust the government used the correct terminology. Learn how the government educated them, and built roads and bridges and helped them move west, all the way to Oregon. Read about the many schools that were available to them along the way. Oh, and the general stores, stocked up with government rations. read about how they crossed mountains on government mules, and dined on quality controlled vegetables and steak. Got hurt? The government was right there with you bro. Providing you health care and aborting your unwanted children. Loans? There when you needed them. You're right. No man can do it on his own.

JDH

beatnic:

Vulchor:

Well then Kuz, Beat, and other business owners we will have to agree to disagree. You can take words and twist them anyway you want---as I am ccused of doing by some here as well btw. The way I took hius statement, and the way I feel about it is that it is not done on your own. The roads needed to get to where you are were govt financed. The education you recvd to put you in the position you are, were paid by tax dollars-----and not just yours. Your parents, friends, influences, ect. all helped to get you where you are and your business where it is. You can tout your accoimplishment until youre blue in the face, but give some credit where it is due. There is no self made man. There are med who work harder and do more than others, but NO ONE does everything on their own. We are certainly deservoing of credit for out hard work, but so are the others who helped us get here.

Next time you're in a government owned library, look up that story about all of the early inhabitants of your great state. They were called pioneers. Not sure what that means, but I trust the government used the correct terminology. Learn how the government educated them, and built roads and bridges and helped them move west, all the way to Oregon. Read about the many schools that were available to them along the way. Oh, and the general stores, stocked up with government rations. read about how they crossed mountains on government mules, and dined on quality controlled vegetables and steak. Got hurt? The government was right there with you bro. Providing you health care and aborting your unwanted children. Loans? There when you needed them. You're right. No man can do it on his own.

Yep, we'd all be better off it we'd just go back to the 1840's.

kuzi16

Vulchor

beatnic:

Vulchor:

Well then Kuz, Beat, and other business owners we will have to agree to disagree. You can take words and twist them anyway you want---as I am ccused of doing by some here as well btw. The way I took hius statement, and the way I feel about it is that it is not done on your own. The roads needed to get to where you are were govt financed. The education you recvd to put you in the position you are, were paid by tax dollars-----and not just yours. Your parents, friends, influences, ect. all helped to get you where you are and your business where it is. You can tout your accoimplishment until youre blue in the face, but give some credit where it is due. There is no self made man. There are med who work harder and do more than others, but NO ONE does everything on their own. We are certainly deservoing of credit for out hard work, but so are the others who helped us get here.

Next time you're in a government owned library, look up that story about all of the early inhabitants of your great state. They were called pioneers. Not sure what that means, but I trust the government used the correct terminology. Learn how the government educated them, and built roads and bridges and helped them move west, all the way to Oregon. Read about the many schools that were available to them along the way. Oh, and the general stores, stocked up with government rations. read about how they crossed mountains on government mules, and dined on quality controlled vegetables and steak. Got hurt? The government was right there with you bro. Providing you health care and aborting your unwanted children. Loans? There when you needed them. You're right. No man can do it on his own.

So your comparing the moving West (or forced migration) of (I assume) the Indians/Native Americans to the small business operations of yourself and Kuzi....some 150+ years (and technological advances) later?

jgibv

beatnic

Vulchor:

beatnic:

Vulchor:

Well then Kuz, Beat, and other business owners we will have to agree to disagree. You can take words and twist them anyway you want---as I am ccused of doing by some here as well btw. The way I took hius statement, and the way I feel about it is that it is not done on your own. The roads needed to get to where you are were govt financed. The education you recvd to put you in the position you are, were paid by tax dollars-----and not just yours. Your parents, friends, influences, ect. all helped to get you where you are and your business where it is. You can tout your accoimplishment until youre blue in the face, but give some credit where it is due. There is no self made man. There are med who work harder and do more than others, but NO ONE does everything on their own. We are certainly deservoing of credit for out hard work, but so are the others who helped us get here.

Next time you're in a government owned library, look up that story about all of the early inhabitants of your great state. They were called pioneers. Not sure what that means, but I trust the government used the correct terminology. Learn how the government educated them, and built roads and bridges and helped them move west, all the way to Oregon. Read about the many schools that were available to them along the way. Oh, and the general stores, stocked up with government rations. read about how they crossed mountains on government mules, and dined on quality controlled vegetables and steak. Got hurt? The government was right there with you bro. Providing you health care and aborting your unwanted children. Loans? There when you needed them. You're right. No man can do it on his own.

So your comparing the moving West (or forced migration) of (I assume) the Indians/Native Americans to the small business operations of yourself and Kuzi....some 150+ years (and technological advances) later?

OK, I finally see. You do need government assistance.

JDH

beatnic

kuzi16

jgibv