I know Jesus was PROBABLY a historical figure. Much more than this I am not sure. I have read stories saying he could walk on water, had 12 followers, was cruicified, ressurected, born of a virgin, 3 wise men after the birth, ect. They seem like very entertaining stories, though they all seem to be copied or tweaked about gods from prior times or other areas such as Horus, Attis, Krishna, and Mithra.
I know Jesus was PROBABLY a historical figure. Much more than this I am not sure. I have read stories saying he could walk on water, had 12 followers, was cruicified, ressurected, born of a virgin, 3 wise men after the birth, ect. They seem like very entertaining stories, though they all seem to be copied or tweaked about gods from prior times or other areas such as Horus, Attis, Krishna, and Mithra.
Well there were others around Jesus's time as well. He wasn't the only one doing "miracles". One thing my wife and I always argue about, Jesus might have been a real guy, it's the other stuff that has no proof. I mean at a time we thought we had to appease the sky god and the weather god. Times change. Also who is to say that Jesus wasn't some extraterrestrial who was being used to control people... yes it may sound far fetched but technology is only magic to those who are not technologically educated/advanced.
I know Jesus was PROBABLY a historical figure. Much more than this I am not sure. I have read stories saying he could walk on water, had 12 followers, was cruicified, ressurected, born of a virgin, 3 wise men after the birth, ect. They seem like very entertaining stories, though they all seem to be copied or tweaked about gods from prior times or other areas such as Horus, Attis, Krishna, and Mithra.
Well there were others around Jesus's time as well. He wasn't the only one doing "miracles". One thing my wife and I always argue about, Jesus might have been a real guy, it's the other stuff that has no proof. I mean at a time we thought we had to appease the sky god and the weather god. Times change. Also who is to say that Jesus wasn't some extraterrestrial who was being used to control people... yes it may sound far fetched but technology is only magic to those who are not technologically educated/advanced.
Thats why I said PROBABLY Pheebs. I see what your saying, and Im with you...I cannot say with certainty he was even one single historical person. And, being married to a woman who believes we humans were seeded here on earth by aliens (or at least 90% of her believes it), its nice to hear others have wierd conversations as well.
I know Jesus was PROBABLY a historical figure. Much more than this I am not sure. I have read stories saying he could walk on water, had 12 followers, was cruicified, ressurected, born of a virgin, 3 wise men after the birth, ect. They seem like very entertaining stories, though they all seem to be copied or tweaked about gods from prior times or other areas such as Horus, Attis, Krishna, and Mithra.
Couple things, 12 apostles... there were many more disciples following him from place to place. 3 wise men is apocryphal... We know there were 3 gifts, don't know how many sages actually came, most likely many more than 3. As far as your point on other gods...someone has watched Zeitgeist. While interesting, the similarities are pretty weak most places. Here is more indepth look than I can provide.
I have questions ny time people writing about these stories of this teacher wrote the stories so many years after the fact...not to mention the dozens of other teachers going around at that time using the same stories. However, I read someone mentioned Zeigeist (sp?) which I had no idea what it was....but now having read about it on wikipedia I think I need to check it out on netflix.
I have questions ny time people writing about these stories of this teacher wrote the stories so many years after the fact...not to mention the dozens of other teachers going around at that time using the same stories. However, I read someone mentioned Zeigeist (sp?) which I had no idea what it was....but now having read about it on wikipedia I think I need to check it out on netflix.
Watch zeitgeist...but definitely research their facts afterwards, many are very poorly sourced and reasoned. That link I posted previously discusses most of it. I am not sure what you mean by "so many years after the fact". Revelation would be the book most far removed from Jesus' life, but still would have been written no more than 80-100 years after His death. Most of the Gospel would have been written around 20-40 years after His death, depending on the author. Also, there are Pagan's who have written regarding events that correlate with biblical evidence. Finally, much of the "oldest copies" of manuscripts we have for the Gospel date much closer to the time of Christ than do many other generally accepted political figures. There is a pretty good video series on this (I say pretty good because they sometimes devolve into intellectual dishonesty) that deals with weighing what evidence for Jesus would be allowed in court. I will try to find it.
I am a follower of Yeshua the Messiah. We cannot define who he is in our own terms if he is who he claimed (God in the flesh). I have spent my adult life studying the scriptures within my Church's dogma and independently because quite frankly some of what is taught does not pass the scrutiny of the scripture itself. I have read the entire book many times and I am always amazed at how little/how much I can actually comprehend and how complex it can be. If you do not believe it, well and good, nothing I can say would ever convince you. It is afterall a book about faith in which it uses this definition: "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." If it cannot be seen then without faith you absolutely cannot and will not accept any of it. I have read enough to understand through that faiith that no mortals could have created it and accept the Textus Receptus as indeed the very word of God (YHWH). Once I came to that conclusion the book came to life and it changed who I am. As for Yeshua (His proper name) he is depicted in the scripture as the most humble of all persons to those who genuinely seek to learn from him and fiercely condemned those who claimed to be YHWH's (God's) representatives on earth yet only served themselves. I will refrain from quoting scripture or discussing Biblical principles as it has no value in this setting.
I If a person wants to live their life for God by trying to live to a higher standard that should be praised. What harm is a Christian person doing by trying to love his neighbor as himself? What harm is a Christian doing by helping the poor or homeless or hungry or needy?
I agree with this totally Snake. The problem comes when it becomes a "do as I say" mantra of belief. Not the helping others side, the phiolosohpical side. To tie it into other threads here....the "killing babies is wrong in the bible" side. If you beleive its wrong, fine. If you beleive you wanna convince other people their ideas are incorrect, thats fine too. But please have the courtesy to do it using rationale, science, or facts as opposed to what alot of poeple consider mysticism and fear of damnation. Also, dont judge for others beliefs. Im not saying you do, but Ive known MANNNNNNNY who feel it is their resposibility to be the moral police and call out all those they feel dont meet the standard.
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