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  • rzamanrzaman Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,604
  • webmostwebmost Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 3,131
    O you can always come up with some excuse to squash expression. The point of free speech is to protect the other guy when he says something you don't like. Don't shift blame from the actual murderers.
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
    beatnic:
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    So, by ridiculing your enemy, you essentially give them aid and comfort? You can kill them, but don't insult them?
    In this case, this propaganda film inspired them to kill Americans and to threaten our Embasies. The film helps our enemies in their war against US. In a time of war, if you help your enemies to kill Americans, that SHOULD be treason.
    What you are saying is that if you insult a Muslim, they have the right to kill Americans. Barbarians.
    To be polite, that is an absolute falsehood. I never said that. I never hinted at that. I never implied that.
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
    webmost:
    O you can always come up with some excuse to squash expression. The point of free speech is to protect the other guy when he says something you don't like. Don't shift blame from the actual murderers.
    I'm not shifting any blame.
  • rzamanrzaman Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,604
    +1 David. Apperently, it is ok to misuse freedom of expression even it poses threat to our national interest, troops and diplomats overseas. This producer also suppose to be in charge of some financial misconduct. There is no valid excuse or justification what the protestors are doing. However, at the same time, I question about the freedom of expression logic of a guy who is on bail for financial misconduct, mistranslated his own production from his fellow actor and actress, blamed Israel for finance the movie and more. He is utterly a lier and cheat. I have no sympathy for his freedom of speech. I am waiting to see what FBI comes up with. There is a serious investigation going on against this man.
    JDH:
    webmost:
    O you can always come up with some excuse to squash expression. The point of free speech is to protect the other guy when he says something you don't like. Don't shift blame from the actual murderers.
    I'm not shifting any blame.
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
    I suspect that if a muslim made a movie insulting their enemy (USA), that producer would be exalted as a hero.
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
  • rzamanrzaman Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,604
    Most probably you are right but not a hero to all the Muslim people. There are good and bad people in every religion. We should not compare ourselves with some bad people who conduct this kind of violence without justification. We react more rationally and this portrait us better than that group of small crowd. It is not a easy task to lead the world as a great nation. No matter what we will always behave and react rationally. That makes us a great nation. Our standard is higher than them. At the same time we will not allow them to change our believe and way of life. This is the reason why our troops fought in WW2 and now in Afganistan.
    beatnic:
    I suspect that if a muslim made a movie insulting their enemy (USA), that producer would be exalted as a hero.
  • rzamanrzaman Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,604
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
    Where is the outrage from the greater Muslim religion?
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
    beatnic:
    Where is the outrage from the greater Muslim religion?
    That is the reaction you are seeing as a result of this propaganda film.
  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
  • The KidThe Kid Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 7,842
    beatnic:
    Where is the outrage from the greater Muslim religion?
    The more Ive thought about this, the more I condemn the Muslim community at large!!! I would really like this Bacile character to be held somehow for his actions but the blame surely falls on the muslim terrorist and No "we" should not have apologized after our Embassy was attacked and innocent people were murdered.
  • rzamanrzaman Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,604
    Holywood dramatizes most of their movies but few of them are based on facts. If some of you want to have a little more depth about Middle- Eastern affairs and how we operates then I would recommend two movies. I know the people who were involved providing some guidelines behind the stories- Rendition and Body of Lies.
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
  • jthanatosjthanatos Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 1,563
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
  • jthanatosjthanatos Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 1,563
    JDH:
    Those are good points all, and difficult to refute. I would just ask; if, during WWII, a film had been produced that provided Imperial Japan or Germany with a weapon that could be used against us, what do you think would have happened to those who provided such a weapon?
    Like these? I am sure at least some of those were used to draw ire and whip up frenzies in countries they targeted, especially with how big a Disney fan Hitler supposedly was. A video is a tool, just like any other and has no will of its own, like a hammer, or car, or a gun. A hammer doesn't build a house or smash a head by itself. A car doesn't get groceries or run over a pedestrian on its own. And a video doesn't incite riots and fire RPGs at embassies without someone wielding it how they want. Many other level headed followers of Islam in this country and others have used this video and the inaccuracies within as a teaching moment. A tool to educate those who don't know the truth or have been fed misinformation. Like I said, this whole situation sucks beyond belief, but neither this video, nor the film maker fired shots at Americans. He just pissed a bunch of people off. People piss me off everyday, and I am sure I piss off a lot of people. But if I shot Jack because John pissed me off for the thirtieth time that day... I am the murderer, not John.
  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
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