Question that's been bugging me for awhile
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This question has been bugging me for awhile. Some of the most raved about smokes lately have been cigars of NC tobacco made for European markets, like quesada espana and curivari to name a few. Now they are blended to compete with Cubans and are wowing us, so why are we not getting these blends? Why if NC tobacco can compete with CC tobacco that well is it not being mainly marketed to us? i just don't get why these European releases are blowing away what NC mfgrs are pushing on us in America. We are the ones with the embargo hello? Give us the tobacco that is (sorry it is annoying to me also but) cubanesque. This again goes to my fat ring gauge horse sh1t they are pushing on us. Why are theybasically saying smoke this garbage. Am I the only one fed up with NC horse sh1t and asking why to this obvious question?
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whenever there is a post on facebook from a cigar company that asks about ring, about 99% of the people are putting out numbers that are 50+.
its a battle between what the masses want and what the nerds like us know is good.
as mentioned above, most people don't know much of what it takes to make a cigar, let alone blending theory, wrapper tofiller ratio, etc.
most people only know what they like. People on cigar forums are the nerdiest of the cigar nerds.
I don't blame the companies for giving America what sells, they're in business to make money just like all of us. I do wish some of the other market's cigars were easier to come by. In general, I'm not loving what is easily available to us. Probably 75% of my most recent purchases have been non-US market, it is just superior in my opinion.
Want an NC with a big ring, try the EPC Inch on for size, starts at a 60 and goes to a 64 ring ~below
Then again no surprise in EPC going big...
Its funny you mention that diamond. I was perusing new brands lists on here and sis and that's the cigar that set me over the edge and why I posted this. I like epc's for the most part but I saw the Inch and lost it completely. I don't visit many B&Ms, my purchases are online and mostly now from overseas but I try to have faith in the markets. But I'm shocked to find out there are regulars in tobacco stores that buy this garbage up. In all honesty I think we are getting a SLIGHT foothold on this with many brands releasing more corona gordas (which I love) and lonsdales and lancy's. But just as many of those brands are releasing double toros and 60+ crap. Meh I guess my hope was the ccom crew would read this and start to make some push on the mfgrs to end this nonsense. I see the business side but if you focus on what tastes best and educate smokers this would go away. Sad to see so many people in the great old US of A are so superficial that "arrr bigger is better!" That's my rant so thanks for reaffirming I'm not the only one losing sleep over this frustration.
ERdM comes to mind.
i mean only two sizes? for real?
Did you get the Asylum ??? ;-D
Saw that one at my B&M a couple months ago too, had the same reaction ... why, just why?
Kuzi hit the nail on the head. These are crazy times we're living in....
I think this is a little off. Smaller RG's require some learning and attention to smoke. They need to be smoked more slowly or they'll get hot and bitter, so they actually don't necessarily taste better to someone just starting out. I hated my first lancero, but I love the size now that I know how to smoke it.
Larger RG's can be puffed away at mercilessly and take the beating and thus are often better for a beginner or someone doing something that might distract them from their smoking pace. The amount of flavor they're getting is probably plenty for their palette because they're only going to pick up the big dominant ones anyway (whether distracted or beginner, same probably applies).
So I don't think if you hand someone who's used to a 60 RG a lancero they're going to start puffing and have a huge revelation and never go back. In fact, he or she might HATE it. And that's why we like what we do and they like what they do. And since they've got the numbers, their tastes are in supply.
It's the same in Poker. Walk into any poker room and you'll see TONS of no-limit hold 'em (NLHE) tables. NLHE is a kid's game next to the more exciting, action-oriented, and technically nuanced Pot Limit Omaha (PLO). But PLO tables are few and far between. Further, since all the bad players tend to play NLHE, all the good players who want to make money (roughly translate these guys to your B&M owners) play NLHE too.
Good analagy, especially the poker players, and right on the money.
We ought to face it; the American cigar market is dominated by big ring powerhouse cigars with a ton of ligero, and the European market, which already has a Cuban influence is definately not. In fact, the presence of Cuban cigars is driving the European preferences, and since we do not have those influences from Cuba, we have developed a differnet standard for the majority of the cigar market here.
My question is this: What possible useful purpose is the American embargo of Cuban goods and services providing? It would seem to me that now, after the nearly total collapse of Communism across the globe, the embargo is only prolonging Communism in Cuba. The logic of removing the embargo and then negotiating for our businessses to bring prosperity back to Cuba should be a no-brainer. Besides, if we can do business with Communist China and Vietnam, why not do business with Cuba? I just don't get it.