2 to the body 1 to the head

jj20030

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLZCb3A3QJU

The Kid

Gaetano7890

I am surprised they are comparing it to black hawk down. Her husband failed miserably on that one too. We lost a lot of good men thanks to Clinton he sent the elite into battle way under armed so he wouldn't look bad. Hopefully we learn from this in 2016

The Kid

Gaetano7890:

I am surprised they are comparing it to black hawk down. Her husband failed miserably on that one too. We lost a lot of good men thanks to Clinton he sent the elite into battle way under armed so he wouldn't look bad. Hopefully we learn from this in 2016

Yea I dont know bout comparing the two. And I wouldn't blame Bill personally for what happened in mogadishu, IMO more responsibility falls on the unit commanders and theatre commanders that were involved. With that being said I believe the CIA holds some accountability/responsibility for the Benghazzi incident as well.

Gaetano7890

I agree with you, not trying to blame bill completely for it there r probably many people that made the final decision. I did think and I might be wrong but he did not want to cause a panic and that's why they went in with hum vs instead of tanks.

JDH

Gaetano7890:

I am surprised they are comparing it to black hawk down. Her husband failed miserably on that one too. We lost a lot of good men thanks to Clinton he sent the elite into battle way under armed so he wouldn't look bad. Hopefully we learn from this in 2016

We lost over 200 dead Marines in Beiruit, killed by a terrorist truck bomber at the Beiruit airport where the Marines were stationed, and Ronald Regan just walked away from them. Additionally, it was Bush Sr. that sent the trops to Somalia in 1992.

Gaetano7890

JDH:

Gaetano7890:

I am surprised they are comparing it to black hawk down. Her husband failed miserably on that one too. We lost a lot of good men thanks to Clinton he sent the elite into battle way under armed so he wouldn't look bad. Hopefully we learn from this in 2016

We lost over 200 dead Marines in Beiruit, killed by a terrorist truck bomber at the Beiruit airport where the Marines were stationed, and Ronald Regan just walked away from them. Additionally, it was Bush Sr. that sent the trops to Somalia in 1992.

That is very true and then Clinton pulled them out in 93 and then in August of 93 sent Army Rangers and Special forces back in to take down Warlord Mohammad Farrah Aidid. The special forces asked for Abrams tanks and Bradley assault vehicles and a gunship. Those requests were denied by the Clinton administration. Secretary of defense Les Aspin resigned two months later due to his decision to deny the heavy armor.

JDH

Gaetano7890

I never made my judgement on a partisan preference. I have views that fit in both catergories and will vote to either. I based my comment on facts, I like history and like to read and hate it when people make descions from their comfy offices that put are boys in danger. Some people may want to make everything about Republican or Democrat. I do think that if were going to make points about history we need to have the right facts so that people don't get confused.

raisindot

JDH

The Kid

fla-gypsy

There is a keen difference in responsibility and accountability that I feel is missed in this discussion. The accountability for military failures always rest with the President, the responsibility of field operation failures rest with those who planned the mission or ignored the warnings. In any case, brave Americans died and that is a tragedy which may have been prevented in all of these cases. If you are going to a dangerous place to do harm to bad guys you better be prepared for all contingencies.

The Kid

fla-gypsy:

There is a keen difference in responsibility and accountability that I feel is missed in this discussion. The accountability for military failures always rest with the President, the responsibility of field operation failures rest with those who planned the mission or ignored the warnings. In any case, brave Americans died and that is a tragedy which may have been prevented in all of these cases. If you are going to a dangerous place to do harm to bad guys you better be prepared for all contingencies.

If we cant rely on our Govt to protect and support our armed forces when in a known hot zone, how can we rely on them to protect us when and if the *** really hits the fan here.

fla-gypsy

The Kid:

fla-gypsy:

There is a keen difference in responsibility and accountability that I feel is missed in this discussion. The accountability for military failures always rest with the President, the responsibility of field operation failures rest with those who planned the mission or ignored the warnings. In any case, brave Americans died and that is a tragedy which may have been prevented in all of these cases. If you are going to a dangerous place to do harm to bad guys you better be prepared for all contingencies.

If we cant rely on our Govt to protect and support our armed forces when in a known hot zone, how can we rely on them to protect us when and if the *** really hits the fan here.

I don't feel I can rely on or trust my Fed govt at all when it concerns my welfare in any matter. I am forced to tolerate it but I never rely on it having my best interests at heart and find it's actions in many things to be suspect.

The Kid