Bad News for the Tea Party

JDH

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^ I added a few more things into my original post which address this

JDH:

IMO, the Tea Party is not interested in governing, they are interested in destroying the government, and behaving like right wing talk show hosts. They are an exercise in nhilistic behavior, not in deliberative governing. Our form of government requires compromise, and the Tea Party is not interested in that.

But to address this a bit more, the Dems aren't interested in governing either; they're only interested in preserving the entitlement State, knowing full well it can't possibly be supported for more than another 20 years or so. SS, Medicare/aid - they can't survive as they are, there isn't enough money in existence to pay for the promises made, but you'd never know it listening to their press releases

JDH

IMO, the loss of moderates inboth parties is not onlydangerous, but has broken the political structure of Congress. Compromise is not a dirty word, our Republic will not function without it.

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Everyone has their own mental map, their own prism that they view reality through. Lots of things we'll never agree on, and that History will have to judge who's right and who's wrong

ctschirgi

This is a great discussion between folks with different view points but a lot of common sense. And you carried it out without threating to leave the forum. (This still baffles me that you can leave some place when you aren't physically there.) Anyway, thanks for this discussion. Sure would be nice if our elected representatives could function like this.

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ctschirgi:

This is a great discussion between folks with different view points but a lot of common sense. And you carried it out without threating to leave the forum. (This still baffles me that you can leave some place when you aren't physically there.) Anyway, thanks for this discussion. Sure would be nice if our elected representatives could function like this.

Eh? When did I threaten to leave? Or did I miss a reference?

Dynaguy

The "Tea Party" has all but destroyed my Republican Party. I am all for political diversity, but the GOP should never tolerated the Tea Party. Far better that they be an independent party then we could really see how popular their views are (no so much I'd bet).

raisindot

beatnic

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raisindot:

ctschirgi:

This is a great discussion between folks with different view points but a lot of common sense. And you carried it out without threating to leave the forum. (This still baffles me that you can leave some place when you aren't physically there.) Anyway, thanks for this discussion. Sure would be nice if our elected representatives could function like this.

Best sign of the civility of this place is that people will trade cigars with people with whom they share absolutely nothing else!

Yea, but a cigar is worth a lot more than a political opinion any day of the week.

ctschirgi

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ctschirgi:

This is a great discussion between folks with different view points but a lot of common sense. And you carried it out without threating to leave the forum. (This still baffles me that you can leave some place when you aren't physically there.) Anyway, thanks for this discussion. Sure would be nice if our elected representatives could function like this.

Eh? When did I threaten to leave? Or did I miss a reference?

Just refercening past posts/discussions. Nothing personal intended.

Amos Umwhat

beatnic

ctschirgi

Compromise isn't a four letter word and it doesn't meen giving up your core beliefs. We all do it every day. When I get home from work what I want to do is sit down, smoke a cigar and watch the sunset. Instead I help with the meal, play with the kids, clean up, do bed time routine and talk to the wife. Eventually I sit outside after all is quite and smoke my cigar. Not exactly what I would have done if I did only what I wanted, but a good compromise that makes me a better dad and husband while still alowing me to have that cigar. Simple example, but it holds true on the much larger scale of federal governance.

Amos Umwhat

ctschirgi:

Compromise isn't a four letter word and it doesn't meen giving up your core beliefs. We all do it every day. When I get home from work what I want to do is sit down, smoke a cigar and watch the sunset. Instead I help with the meal, play with the kids, clean up, do bed time routine and talk to the wife. Eventually I sit outside after all is quite and smoke my cigar. Not exactly what I would have done if I did only what I wanted, but a good compromise that makes me a better dad and husband while still alowing me to have that cigar. Simple example, but it holds true on the much larger scale of federal governance.

Precisely. It was the compromises between the Liberals, Madison & Jefferson et al, and the conservatives, Hamilton comes to mind, that created The Great Experiment. Not bad ground to stand on, if you ask me.

JDH

Amos Umwhat:

ctschirgi:

Compromise isn't a four letter word and it doesn't meen giving up your core beliefs. We all do it every day. When I get home from work what I want to do is sit down, smoke a cigar and watch the sunset. Instead I help with the meal, play with the kids, clean up, do bed time routine and talk to the wife. Eventually I sit outside after all is quite and smoke my cigar. Not exactly what I would have done if I did only what I wanted, but a good compromise that makes me a better dad and husband while still alowing me to have that cigar. Simple example, but it holds true on the much larger scale of federal governance.

Precisely. It was the compromises between the Liberals, Madison & Jefferson et al, and the conservatives, Hamilton comes to mind, that created The Great Experiment. Not bad ground to stand on, if you ask me.

From a purely partisian point of view, I think if the Tea Party continues to be uncompromising, obstructionist, and as Bobby Jindal described; "The Stupid Party", they will uncompromise, obstruct and stupid themselves right out of office, while dragging the Republican Party down the drain with them. As much as I'd like to see more influence from the Left, I also recognize that the majority of the American population is neither far right or far left, but rather mostly centrist. Just as the Democrats have moved to the right in recent years, I hope that the Republicans move back to the center, and reject the antics and sophomoric anger of the Tea Party. Personally, I would welcome a Chris Christie/ Colon Powell Republican ticket in 2016 that would promise to govern more like the Republican Party of Eisenhower

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JDH

beatnic

Amos Umwhat

JDH:

Amos Umwhat:

ctschirgi:

Compromise isn't a four letter word and it doesn't meen giving up your core beliefs. We all do it every day. When I get home from work what I want to do is sit down, smoke a cigar and watch the sunset. Instead I help with the meal, play with the kids, clean up, do bed time routine and talk to the wife. Eventually I sit outside after all is quite and smoke my cigar. Not exactly what I would have done if I did only what I wanted, but a good compromise that makes me a better dad and husband while still alowing me to have that cigar. Simple example, but it holds true on the much larger scale of federal governance.

Precisely. It was the compromises between the Liberals, Madison & Jefferson et al, and the conservatives, Hamilton comes to mind, that created The Great Experiment. Not bad ground to stand on, if you ask me.

From a purely partisian point of view, I think if the Tea Party continues to be uncompromising, obstructionist, and as Bobby Jindal described; "The Stupid Party", they will uncompromise, obstruct and stupid themselves right out of office, while dragging the Republican Party down the drain with them. As much as I'd like to see more influence from the Left, I also recognize that the majority of the American population is neither far right or far left, but rather mostly centrist. Just as the Democrats have moved to the right in recent years, I hope that the Republicans move back to the center, and reject the antics and sophomoric anger of the Tea Party. Personally, I would welcome a Chris Christie/ Colon Powell Republican ticket in 2016 that would promise to govern more like the Republican Party of Eisenhower

Sounds good to me

Amos Umwhat

Amos Umwhat

beatnic:

And all this talk of compromise directed at the right wing? Hello? I have yet to meet a liberal that wanted to compromise on anything. They get what they want by screaming louder and not compromising. Just my opinion. No disrespect to anyone.

You do realize you just described Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Adolf Hitler, and an assortment of other Right wing speakers, don't you?

Amos Umwhat

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beatnic:

And all this talk of compromise directed at the right wing? Hello? I have yet to meet a liberal that wanted to compromise on anything. They get what they want by screaming louder and not compromising. Just my opinion. No disrespect to anyone.

You do realize you just described Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Adolf Hitler, and an assortment of other Right wing speakers, don't you?

As well as Rachel Maddow, Keith Olberman, and Chris Matthews, of course. Compromise might land us somewhere in the middle of all these lunatics.

JDH

beatnic

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