More abortion bills ....

phobicsquirrel

pelirrojo

Man, you have no idea how embarassed I am right now to be from Arkansas... Usually AR is drug through the mud for various stereotypes and bad news stories, but the legislature there now is making me glad that I moved.

beatnic

phobicsquirrel

phobicsquirrel

Oh and btw I do not like abortions, however it is not my choice, it is a woman's choice. Maybe there should be laws to kill sperm in males and only certain types of people should be able to have kids. That would fix a lot of the problems and hell, maybe even help our culture. And abortions would be a lot lower!

beatnic

phobicsquirrel:

Oh and btw I do not like abortions, however it is not my choice, it is a woman's choice. Maybe there should be laws to kill sperm in males and only certain types of people should be able to have kids. That would fix a lot of the problems and hell, maybe even help our culture. And abortions would be a lot lower!

Maybe we can teach these these women some morals, and and to make right choices, and the sanctity of life. Oops, that just may spill over into religious concepts. Can't be having that.

phobicsquirrel

Morality has nothing to do with religion. In fact religion is the cause of most violence. So in theory if there was no religion then there would be less violence. George Carlin did many skits on this very subject. More religious people are fine with taking the right from a woman but refuse to listen to science and respect a woman. Instead they like to think of a woman as a vessel. If a religious woman wants to not have an abortion then fine, that's their choice, but there is no reason to force one to have one or not to have one. So I guess I am more "moral" than the religious types. People twist religion to fit their needs. History is filled with that and death and torture is used more often than not due to it. If anything religion is a curse on humanity.

beatnic

The Church of George Carlin, where morality is a choice. Talk about twisting religion.

Vulchor

phobicsquirrel

beatnic:

The Church of George Carlin, where morality is a choice. Talk about twisting religion.

I wouldn't say a chruch, but GC made a lot of good points about religion. As does Bill Maher. I be you think I just like to bash religion, but really I don't mean to bash or belittle anyone's faith but there is some BS in it and usually not because of the core of said faith, but when people bend it to their own desires. My wife and I fight about this stuff all the time. She is a pastor.

clearlysuspect

OH yes. The GOP. Definitely cares about your health and safety right up until you're born. Then you're on your own! First 9, months, we love and care about you! After than, guess you should have been born to someone who could feed and provide health care for you.

beatnic

You guys are all over the place. My position on abortion has nothing to do with GOP or politics, or left and right. It comes from my soul. We shouldn't be killing the least among us.

Vulchor

Ive posted this before and I will again here. If the right is so economically concerned, as we know they are-----I maintain they should approve of abortion, even encourage it. If someone is having an abortion is likely they do not want the child and/or cannot afford to raise it. Forcing them to do so will only breed resentment toward that child and further turmoil likely resulting in welfare, medicaid, food stamps, and the like. In turn, to eliminate these most undesriable "hand outs" to the "dredges of society" I dont understand why the GOP doesnt advocate having as few spawn from this segment of society as possible.

ehehat

I know I'm new to this side of the boards but I just cant keep quiet on this one. I will never understand how someone can base the value of human life on age and/or distance from the birth canal. Be honest; if you read a story about a mother pulling her hours-old baby apart at the limbs you'd be absolutely outraged...and you should be, but because that baby is still in the mother it somehow magically becomes acceptable? And the typical argument for making this practice ok is money? Now who is the heartless one? I dont get it.

beatnic

Martel

webmost

Amos Umwhat

kuzi16

Vulchor

ehehat:

I know I'm new to this side of the boards but I just cant keep quiet on this one. I will never understand how someone can base the value of human life on age and/or distance from the birth canal. Be honest; if you read a story about a mother pulling her hours-old baby apart at the limbs you'd be absolutely outraged...and you should be, but because that baby is still in the mother it somehow magically becomes acceptable? And the typical argument for making this practice ok is money? Now who is the heartless one? I dont get it.

For the record-----and I hate going on that-----I am prolife other than cases of incest, health of mother, ect. HOWEVER, as a male I dont feel comfortable supporting legislation about a woman's body and her choice. If I was to have sex, mate, procreate, whatever with a woman I would want to know she wants a child if that were to happen. I will not chastise people who support the right to choose, I simply feel they are generally misguided, but I also feel this is a non issue in politics as the Supreme Court has ruled on it so to continue to argue it seems futile and fruitless.

kuzi16

Vulchor:

I also feel this is a non issue in politics as the Supreme Court has ruled on it so to continue to argue it seems futile and fruitless.

yes. i agree here. and nothing has really changed since that ruling to make it need another judgement.

fla-gypsy

I don't like killing, period. I know there are times when it is called for (self protection, national survival, abhorrent life taking behavior). In my (insert insult here, Vulch) faith based understanding, human life is sacred. Are there complicated situations? You bet there are, is killing innocent human life the answer, no it is not. I will admit I do not have the answers to the tough questions, I can only do what I think is right in my own soul. Whether it is legal or not it can never make it right.

Vulchor

Fair enough Gypsy-----however while it may not be "right" to you in your soul or in your belief system....that does not make it inherently "wrong" and certainly not illegal by the rule of this nations law which we are all expected to abide by and which governs us. Which to me means, you can find it as distasteful as you want, but you do not have the right to base law on it.

beatnic

Vulchor:

Fair enough Gypsy-----however while it may not be "right" to you in your soul or in your belief system....that does not make it inherently "wrong" and certainly not illegal by the rule of this nations law which we are all expected to abide by and which governs us. Which to me means, you can find it as distasteful as you want, but you do not have the right to base law on it.

Laws change all the time Vulchor. Cross state lines, go to another country. Or just wait a while. Laws are made by man, a very fallible creature. A human life, on the other hand,.......... .

Vulchor

very fallible creatures as well