I am not the most knowledgable guy on this forum but it would seem to me that sucking out the air will also suck all the humidity out too? That can't be good for them could it?
I am not the most knowledgable guy on this forum but it would seem to me that sucking out the air will also suck all the humidity out too? That can't be good for them could it?
I was guessing that the humidity would be OK. (But you got me thinking about the humidity now too.) I was concerned more about the effects of the pressure. I have a vacuum sealer and I went ahead and sealed some boxes. I also sealed a loose bundle by layering them in rows of twos and the vacuum went too far and started to compress the wrappers a little bit, so I cut the corner of the bag and let a little bit of air back in and re-sealed the corner. I will only be keeping them sealed for the duration of the freeze. But I was having some second thoughts about the possible effects of the negative/low pressure.
I am not the most knowledgable guy on this forum but it would seem to me that sucking out the air will also suck all the humidity out too? That can't be good for them could it?
I was guessing that the humidity would be OK. (But you got me thinking about the humidity now too.) I was concerned more about the effects of the pressure. I have a vacuum sealer and I went ahead and sealed some boxes. I also sealed a loose bundle by layering them in rows of twos and the vacuum went too far and started to compress the wrappers a little bit, so I cut the corner of the bag and let a little bit of air back in and re-sealed the corner. I will only be keeping them sealed for the duration of the freeze. But I was having some second thoughts about the possible effects of the negative/low pressure.
There are vendors who vacuum seal their cigars before shipping.
Is agree that only 1-2 day freezing is needed for beetles. And if its only 1-2 days, why not use a ziplock??? I see no point in vacuum sealing or feeezing long term and imagine only harm can be done. There is no point in freezing cigars except for beetle prevention.
If you're concerned about beetles, do like Gray4lines suggested - stick them in a zip lock baggie, throw in the freezer for about 24 hrs, give or take a few (really, no hard rule about this; a day is the most commonly suggested time period). Then move them to the refrigerator for 24 hrs, to avoid any temperature shock that can crack the wrappers. After that, back into the humi they go.
Is agree that only 1-2 day freezing is needed for beetles. And if its only 1-2 days, why not use a ziplock??? I see no point in vacuum sealing or feeezing long term and imagine only harm can be done. There is no point in freezing cigars except for beetle prevention.
Oh it's for beetles alright. But I thought that was obvious. And it's not for long term storage. Guess I didn't explain everything clearly. I just wanted to know what you guys thought about using a vacuum sealer to bag them up for the freezing process.
If you're concerned about beetles, do like Gray4lines suggested - stick them in a zip lock baggie, throw in the freezer for about 24 hrs, give or take a few (really, no hard rule about this; a day is the most commonly suggested time period). Then move them to the refrigerator for 24 hrs, to avoid any temperature shock that can crack the wrappers. After that, back into the humi they go.
Thanks for the help. I appreciate all the help I can get. This beetle situation sucks. But with all you guys helping me, I've learned a lot. Thanks.
I've read that putting cigars is actually the best way to prevent beetles. The pressure crushes the eggs where freezing doesn't always kill them off. But whether thats true or mot who knows.But I've got one of those sealers myself but I haven't tried it yet.
I've read that putting cigars is actually the best way to prevent beetles. The pressure crushes the eggs where freezing doesn't always kill them off. But whether thats true or mot who knows.But I've got one of those sealers myself but I haven't tried it yet.
never heard that. the eggs are getting protection from the cigar. if you add enough negative pressure to kill the eggs you start crushing tobacco as well. those eggs are stronger than they look.
I've read some stuff like that too about popping or crushing the eggs in a vacuum environment, but I don't expect my home vacuum sealer to create those extreme egg crushing pressures. Maybe it would, I don't know. I just assumed it was best to remove air before freezing. You always read guys explaining the freezing process explain to "remove as much air from the ziplock bag as possible" before you freeze your cigars. Then I saw where some guys were using the vacuum sealers to remove air. I've got a few boxes in the freezer now under vacuum seal. I'll let you know how it goes.
I just wanted to know what you guys thought about using a vacuum sealer to bag them up for the freezing process.
there is nothing wrong with it, just kinda pointess. it isnt saving anything from anything.
The point is to remove excess air from the bag before freezing. If it's an unnecessary step then I'll forget it. When using a regular ziplock bag for freezing cigars, is it a good idea to remove any excess air before I zip it shut? I don't want to be wasting time vacuum sealing or even burping the ziplock bags if removing excess air is not important. Thanks
I've read that putting cigars is actually the best way to prevent beetles. The pressure crushes the eggs where freezing doesn't always kill them off. But whether thats true or mot who knows.But I've got one of those sealers myself but I haven't tried it yet.
never heard that. the eggs are getting protection from the cigar. if you add enough negative pressure to kill the eggs you start crushing tobacco as well. those eggs are stronger than they look.
I can tell you that from my experience the beetle infestation I had was from a cigar that was vacuum sealed by the vendor and then mailed to me. I don't know if the beetles were already alive or had hatched from eggs after I received them. But I think the latter because there was no hole in the cigar when I received it, only when I smoked it some time later.
I've read that putting cigars is actually the best way to prevent beetles. The pressure crushes the eggs where freezing doesn't always kill them off. But whether thats true or mot who knows.But I've got one of those sealers myself but I haven't tried it yet.
never heard that. the eggs are getting protection from the cigar. if you add enough negative pressure to kill the eggs you start crushing tobacco as well. those eggs are stronger than they look.
Personally I'd just double bag in ziplock freezer bags...you can save the money and put it towards a wineador which will help prevent beetles and take mold worries away. That's just my opinion
Just use the redneck vacuum seal method. Put cigars in Ziploc, stick a straw in and suck the air out with your mouth while quickly closing the seal. I do this with 2 more Ziploc bags over the first, each with the air sucked out redneck style. With your mouth you don't create enough pressure to crush cigars, you just want air out so condensation doesn't occur when they go into the freezer. I do 2 days in the freezer, 12 hours in the fridge, then out for a few hours before into my humi. Just cigars that have maybe gotten hot in shipping or I'm concerned in general (Cubans from overseas etc)
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