Time for a government house cleaning

raisindot

Bigshizza

As the other Liberal, things don't look like they are on the up and up and Obama's quality control is a real problem. Does the left hand know what the right hand is up to? If you don't have a strong base of leadership starting with those you appoint, then you are screwed and made to look the fool.

webmost

pross

beatnic

If Holder and Hillary, and Obama didn't know what was going on in any of these issues ( and I truly doubt that), they failed at their job. Period. Hey, let's hire a bunch of activists to do our dirty work and then just blame everything on them? Leaders lead, take charge, and are the first out front. These are cowards. I commend you Raisondot on you honesty.

perkinke

james40

I also commend you on your honesty. I don't consider you a liberal because you can admit failure within your own party. Tons of people in both major parties cant do that. I would call you an intelligent citizen.

raisindot

Well, I do consider myself a liberal on most things. Being a liberal or conservative doesn't mean that you have to totally defend the people who in general reflect your political viewpoint for right or wrong. If your elected official does something that does against your political philosophy (or against your own moral values, whatever those might be), then you can either call them out on it or defend them. Some liberals and moderates are saying that they're holding judgement on Obama until he starts a war or causes a recession. I don't buy that. If, either intentionally or through poor oversight, ethically bad things happen, you, as executive, need to own up to it.

madurofan

james40

What I was really saying is that regardless of political views, you at some point are able to subjectively look into what is going on and admit there are problems. So, yes you are liberal but I just meant I see beyond that..hope that makes sense.

raisindot

james40:

What I was really saying is that regardless of political views, you at some point are able to subjectively look into what is going on and admit there are problems. So, yes you are liberal but I just meant I see beyond that..hope that makes sense.

I get it. I think what you were missing in your original message was the use of the adjective "die-hard." Of which I am not.

Amos Umwhat

raisindot

phobicsquirrel

beatnic

phobicsquirrel

raisindot:

Now that this stuff is being done by the president we supported, we (and everyone else) need to be just as vocal in our criticism.

Yeah that is was really pisses me off. Nothing as really been scaled back. Hell the patriot act got re-authorized and obama and his henchman let the big banks go with a pat on the back. I really thing the only way real change will happen is if the economy collapses like it did during the early 1900's. I hope another war doesn't start though.

AVJim

Amos Umwhat

Y'know, if you think about it, the vast majority of the Super-Pacs and so called "Dark Money", money that's sifted through numerous sources before influencing the elections, is "Conservative". So, if the vast majority of inquiry was into conservative organizations, the IRS was doing its job. Wasn't it?

webmost

Amos Umwhat

webmost

Amos Umwhat

raisindot

Amos Umwhat

I finally got a chance to catch up on some of the facts. If what's said is anywhere near true, they were just wrong at so many levels. Ever notice how when something like this happens, it comes from "the lower levels"? Probably the janitors idea.

phobicsquirrel