We're Only Going to Get One Shot at this

Krieg

kuzi16

kuzi16

jpclotfelter

Democrats have done a very good job of demonizing anybody who goes into business and turns a profit. What they don't understand is that it is this love of money that has created a competative environment and brought the quality and standards of everything to a higher level. I want my medical provider to be profit seeking. I want my doctor to understand that if he doesn't provide a level of care that I am satisfied with I will take my business elsewhere. Imagine if there were one car company in the world. That car company would have no incentive to provide a quality product because they would know that you would have no choice but to buy their car. I know that the immediate outcome of this healthcare legislation would not be a one payer system but eventually it would lead to that. Employers would eventually stop offering health care because it would be cheaper to just pay the penalty. Private insurance companies would go out of business because the government option would be appear to be cheaper...I promise you, it will be more expensive in the long run. Can you put a price on freedom?

Vulchor

jpclotfelter:

Democrats have done a very good job of demonizing anybody who goes into business and turns a profit. What they don't understand is that it is this love of money that has created a competative environment and brought the quality and standards of everything to a higher level.

Im sure we are including the quality seen in the financial markets over the last 2yrs due to the idea of competition and deregulation as well.

jpclotfelter:

I want my medical provider to be profit seeking. I want my doctor to understand that if he doesn't provide a level of care that I am satisfied with I will take my business elsewhere

Don't worry, your Dr. is profit seeking and well aware of this. However, your options are becoming more and more limited with Dr's leaving the field because they hate dealing with insurance companies.

jpclotfelter:

I know that the immediate outcome of this healthcare legislation would not be a one payer system but eventually it would lead to that....Private insurance companies would go out of business because the government option would be appear to be cheaper.

First, there is no way to say it would ever lead to that except for a few sound clips or stories used by the right as fear tactics..just like the death panels. The right wing does know how to use fear against us better than anyone, lets not forget terror level aqua marine or whatever it was.Also, by your own logic that with a love of money making things competitive, private insurance companies would never go out of business because their love of money would help keep them finding ways to do it cheaper or more effective----while just having more competition on the market in th form of the demonic socialist govt. program that no one wants (like the two no one wants now---Medicaid and Medicare)...sounds like another car company on the market to me.

PuroFreak

Vulchor:

Also, by your own logic that with a love of money making things competitive, private insurance companies would never go out of business because their love of money would help keep them finding ways to do it cheaper or more effective----while just having more competition on the market in th form of the demonic socialist govt. program that no one wants (like the two no one wants now---Medicaid and Medicare)...sounds like another car company on the market to me.

You are forgetting something here that was mentioned earlier. The government can opperate year after year at a loss but insurance companies can't. This bill as it is written will stop all insurance companies from writing any new policies or making any changes to existing policies. Thats like telling the car industries they can stay afloat, but they can't make any new cars or make any changes to current models... or you could apply the exact same thing about any other business. They are trying to cripple the industry.

jlzimmerman

kuzi16

Vulchor

Why I (or anyone) continue to talk about any of this is baflling to me...Everyone (myself included) is so entrenched in their own feelings, nothing can be accomplished. Every study, fact, or query from numbers put forth by the W.H.O. down to the feelings of Dennis Miller cannot be agreed upon as fair or accurate by anyone. Instead we spend time arguing fiscal opinions that not even the most enlightened economists and financial thinkers cannot come to an agreement on. For perhaps the first time ever for me, I can understand why so many people could give 2 $hits about anything political. I hope I never get to that point, but I can actually understand why some people do.

kuzi16

jpclotfelter

Kuzi, I have forwarded a link for this forum to the White House so that they can decide if this counts as "fishy". I'm sure that all of our personal information will be handed over to the Department of Homeland Security as individuals who are engaged in conversations that are critical of the "Enlightened One". We should be expecting visits from men in black suits any time now.

kuzi16

jlzimmerman

I emailed the Constitution to the white house last week. That chicken scratch is a bit fishy me thinks.

Krieg

Just had a some visitors last night from 2 guys dressed in black...anyone know what this is about?

Lasabar

Krieg:

Just had a some visitors last night from 2 guys dressed in black...anyone know what this is about?

Was one of them Wil Smith?