Iraq - Part 2

Rain

What do you guys think about what's going on over there?I'd volunteer in a heartbeat if they decide to send troops back, but I hope we limit our involvement to drone strikes. I saw this in an article and it made me sad thbrat someone actually feels this way.Tom Lord, a 60-year-old retired firefighter from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, who was visiting Manhattan's 9/11 memorial Friday, said he supports the new bombing, even though he disagrees with most of Obama's other decisions. "I would hope they send troops, but I don't believe Obama will. We need to go over there and establish peace again, or at least try to," he said."Lord supported the original 2003 invasion. He thought the latest problems were a result of Obama pulling troops out too soon: "They needed to train up the Iraqis more than they did. They pulled out way too soon and now look what happened."Seriously? We tried that for a decade. You can't help a nation that is corrupt and does not even want your help. How long do we need to train a police force and army that has no problems killing our soldiers?

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perkinke

The English couldn't keep it sorted out after about 70 years, we couldn't do it in 10. Is it too much to ask that anyone study history these days? The only folks who can sort this out are the people who live there. If the average Syrian and Iraqi doesn't believe in their government enough to stand up for it then it's not a government that should be preserved. Let the Arab world sort this out for themselves. Besides, I thought all this fracking and drilling was supposed to lessen our involvement in the middle east?

The3Stogies

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SleevePlz

Rain:

I hope we limit our involvement to drone strikes.

This. I'm tired of losing American lives over in the Middle East.

First Warrior

It's about oil and money but it's a Tarbaby. The more you mess with it the more you get stuck to it.

perkinke

Isn't the area of Iraq that was the most stable, the Kurdish region, also the one we messed with the least? If so I'd say that's a heck of a lesson.

Darktower007

Sasquatch

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raisindot

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Sasquatch

jd50ae

raisindot

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jd50ae

jd50ae

The only thing that is going to change peoples mindset is an uprising by the fair and peace loving muslims against the barbarians that for all intent and purposes represent them.

Lee.mcglynn

Honestly I saw what the people are working with and not being military well I'd go over to try to help! Wtf is wrong with people!! I know America can't do everything but we did start this and well I'm willing to end this

Rain

Not sure if it's true, but my wife said she read we're sending 450ish troops to Iraq. That does not really bother me, as I doubt we'll end up where we were with thousands there. However, when I took a new perspective it made me really evaluate my priorities. My son is 3. But what if he was 18 and being sent there? I would be furious. What is that goal? How many people died there (roughly 3,771)? Roughly four times that were injured. Almost four thousand brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers etc etc that will never come home again...and what did they achieve? It really makes me pause when I think about my kids being sent to war =( Without a clear end state and dire need to protect the US....it's just not worth it.

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First Warrior

I think we need to be in that part of the world for two reasons .First to keep the oil flowing and second to keep our eyes on nukes. If the radicals can stop the oil global chaos will come. If these ass---- get their mits on nukes they will gladly use them. The price we will and have been paying is money and the blood of our troops. I don't think there is any way around it. China is sitting back and watching us pay the price On a personal level as a combat veteran the only thing i can do is make damn sure that this country and the VA provides the support and care that our returning warriors require. I'm involved in a MH mentoring program at the Asheville VAMC working with our current veterans. The program is working and I believe in a small way that I'm doing some good.

Rain

On the eve of Sept. 11, President Barack Obama on Wednesday made a prime-time plea for Americans to support an open-ended war on the brutal fighters of the Islamic State — an escalating Middle East campaign with ill-defined conditions for victory and a timetable that will likely take it into his successor’s term. Obama made certain to distinguish his approach from his predecessor’s large-scale invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. He promised that there will be no American ground troops taking the fight to the terrorist group also known as ISIL or ISIS. “This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out ISIL wherever they exist using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground,” he said. The model? Smaller-scale conflicts in Yemen and Somalia where U.S. drone strikes and special operators have targeted extremists “for years,” he explained. Critics of both of those campaigns point out that U.S. forces essentially play a deadly game of “whack-a-mole” with no definitive victory in sight. And U.S. airstrikes regularly kill civilians, fueling anti-American resentment that feeds radical Islamist organizations in a vicious cycle. http://news.yahoo.com/yahoo-news-special-report--president-obama-addresses-is-threat-172339793.html

Vulchor

The3Stogies

Maybe the faster you do it the less people die in the long run. We leveled Germany, rebuilt it now a trading partner. We decimated how many in Japan, and rebuilt it and now a trading partner. How many more soldiers and civilians would have died invading Japan, who knows. Now our enemy is scattered all about with no real country to invade. Or too many?

dr_frankenstein56

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