Women in the War

Alex Williams

Well, I just had a VERY heated discussion with this feminist, psycho, crazy *** in my art class about whether or not women should be in the war (actual combat; GI, etc). What do yall think? Why or why not?

sightunseen

phobicsquirrel

I wouldn't have liked a woman in my ranger unit. Women already get too many special perks as it is we don't need them f'ing up combat units as well. Now if they had the exact same standards then maybe.

Hays

phobicsquirrel:

I wouldn't have liked a woman in my ranger unit. Women already get too many special perks as it is we don't need them f'ing up combat units as well. Now if they had the exact same standards then maybe.

But they wouldn't have the same standards, and that's why I am personally against it. I know there are women that can perform at the same level, or higher, than many men, but these are the exception, not the rule. It has been medically documented that, as a whole, man's physiology is far more suited to the rigorous demands of combat than women's. Therefore, if we allow women into combat, I'm sure we'll have a few that can perform at or above expectation, but the majority will be attempting something they have no business doing in the name of "equality".

xmacro

Hays:

phobicsquirrel:

I wouldn't have liked a woman in my ranger unit. Women already get too many special perks as it is we don't need them f'ing up combat units as well. Now if they had the exact same standards then maybe.

But they wouldn't have the same standards, and that's why I am personally against it. I know there are women that can perform at the same level, or higher, than many men, but these are the exception, not the rule. It has been medically documented that, as a whole, man's physiology is far more suited to the rigorous demands of combat than women's. Therefore, if we allow women into combat, I'm sure we'll have a few that can perform at or above expectation, but the majority will be attempting something they have no business doing in the name of "equality".

Pretty much my feelings as well; war isn't politically correct - it's about finding the most capable people to kill or subdue the other side. Standards are high because the demands of war are high; anyone who can't measure up is going to wind up getting themselves or others killd. Politics has no business on the battlefield.

cabinetmaker

Then there's the inevitable problem of fraternazation that will occur, causing fighting men and women to make poor judgements during combat when the other is under fire. That, I think, is one of the main concerns of the military leaders. I think it's a valid point, too.

leemarshall337

I met my wife in Iraq,lol, so I'll stay out of this one.

Alex Williams

Hays:

phobicsquirrel:

I wouldn't have liked a woman in my ranger unit. Women already get too many special perks as it is we don't need them f'ing up combat units as well. Now if they had the exact same standards then maybe.

But they wouldn't have the same standards, and that's why I am personally against it. I know there are women that can perform at the same level, or higher, than many men, but these are the exception, not the rule. It has been medically documented that, as a whole, man's physiology is far more suited to the rigorous demands of combat than women's. Therefore, if we allow women into combat, I'm sure we'll have a few that can perform at or above expectation, but the majority will be attempting something they have no business doing in the name of "equality".

her opinion on the matter was that women werent more emotional than men and could take care of themselves and just kept on and on! to give you an idea of her, she bitched me out for opening the door for her..."what you dont think i can handle opening a door?! you are such a sexist pig! blah blah blah." and hays, you just stated my EXACT view and arguement. do i believe in equality among men and women? yes. do i think it would do much more harm than good to allow them to fight? you betcha. it is the human nature of men to protect women. that is how it always has been and always will be! if there is a firefight, many male soldiers would have that girl's safety in the back of their mind which would distract them from the objective.

Garen B

Alex Williams:

Hays:

phobicsquirrel:

I wouldn't have liked a woman in my ranger unit. Women already get too many special perks as it is we don't need them f'ing up combat units as well. Now if they had the exact same standards then maybe.

But they wouldn't have the same standards, and that's why I am personally against it. I know there are women that can perform at the same level, or higher, than many men, but these are the exception, not the rule. It has been medically documented that, as a whole, man's physiology is far more suited to the rigorous demands of combat than women's. Therefore, if we allow women into combat, I'm sure we'll have a few that can perform at or above expectation, but the majority will be attempting something they have no business doing in the name of "equality".

her opinion on the matter was that women werent more emotional than men and could take care of themselves and just kept on and on! to give you an idea of her, she bitched me out for opening the door for her..."what you dont think i can handle opening a door?! you are such a sexist pig! blah blah blah." and hays, you just stated my EXACT view and arguement. do i believe in equality among men and women? yes. do i think it would do much more harm than good to allow them to fight? you betcha. it is the human nature of men to protect women. that is how it always has been and always will be! if there is a firefight, many male soldiers would have that girl's safety in the back of their mind which would distract them from the objective.

Jeez man, try and be nice to someone and they bite your head off. I don't think she's going to listen to anything that you're going to say Alex, she's contradicting her statement about women not being more emotional than men and is just bringing her emotion based opinion to the table instead of facts.

dennisking

Alex Williams

clearlysuspect

We used to talk about this all the time back when I was in the military. My thoughts are that the physical standards should be the same for everyone in each branch of the military, man or woman. Standards may vary from branch to branch: Marines need to be in better physical condition than most Navy and Air Force. If you're gonna be on the front line, you better be able to take the person fighting next to you and throw them over your shoulder and run. If you can't do that, you shouldn't be fighting. If you're in the Navy, you better at least be able to drag the guy working next to you out of a flooding or on fire compartment. If you can't do that, you shouldn't be on a boat. I worked with some women who could. I worked with a lot more than couldn't and frankly it scared me.

jihiggs

I believe there should be no discrimination simply because they are women, but they should be able to pass the same qualifications, I have heard that men have to do a number of pull ups, but women only have to hang. not sure what the thought there is, but if they cant do what a man could do, then they arent qualified to do the job, if a woman can do it then great. maybe sara connor would be the only woman in combat, and thats fine with me lol. (reference the scene in terminator 2, she did many pull ups)

clearlysuspect

jihiggs:

I believe there should be no discrimination simply because they are women, but they should be able to pass the same qualifications, I have heard that men have to do a number of pull ups, but women only have to hang. not sure what the thought there is, but if they cant do what a man could do, then they arent qualified to do the job, if a woman can do it then great. maybe sara connor would be the only woman in combat, and thats fine with me lol. (reference the scene in terminator 2, she did many pull ups)

Interesting you should bring this point up. Did you know it's nearly impossible for a man to do the haning thing the women do? They have to keep their knees perpendicular to their body while hanging for 90 seconds. I've seen so many Marines say they can do this and fail trying. Most can't even make it past a minute. So...... this is kind of a bad analogy. edit: I've got 3 former marines sitting behind me who confirm this. I was wrong about the knees thing. Basically, they have to hang in the up position for 90 seconds.

jpclotfelter

Alex Williams

fla-gypsy

phobicsquirrel

jpclotfelter

TatuajeVI

While this is a bit of a gross exaggeration, but I would say that anyone who argues women should be allowed in combat has never been in combat before. Fitness was discussed already, and of course the natural tendency for Men to be over-protective of women greatly complicates the already-complicated mess that a combat environment is. But one of the main reasons: they are simply not needed. There are enough men that volunteer and as we know, men simply destroy, main, kill, and burn quite well.

j0z3r

jpclotfelter:

I happen to think that women should have more than equal rights, they shouldn't have to endure the horrors of war.

I want to state first of all that I'm not taking a side on this. I do want to point out, however, that you're saying contradictory things, if women should have equal rights then that should include the right to go to war and be on the front lines. Again, that's not an endorsement from me one way or the other, I'll keep my opinion on the matter to myself. Equal rights includes everything, not just what we pick and choose.

mrpillow

He said women should have MORE than equal rights, implying that going to war is not a right but a burden that women should have the privelage of being protected from.

jpclotfelter

leemarshall337

TatuajeVI:

While this is a bit of a gross exaggeration, but I would say that anyone who argues women should be allowed in combat has never been in combat before.

I have served in combat, and that WOULD be a gross exaggeration. Do I believe women should serve in combat arms MOS's? No, but that is a different argument.

j0z3r

Alex Williams

Hey guys. Didn't mean to open pandora's box here. Sorry if I did but thanks to all y'all for voicing your opinions I appreciate it!

jpclotfelter

jpclotfelter

TatuajeVI

leemarshall337:

TatuajeVI:

While this is a bit of a gross exaggeration, but I would say that anyone who argues women should be allowed in combat has never been in combat before.

I have served in combat, and that WOULD be a gross exaggeration. Do I believe women should serve in combat arms MOS's? No, but that is a different argument.

I served in Iraq and there were a few women in MP units who actively patrolled in combat environments, but VERY few. I don't disagree they should be allowed to serve in the military in a country like Iraq, but I do feel they should be kept in relatively safer environments. I guess I should have specifically stated "not in combat MOSs."

jbarker_18

Vulchor