Air purification for smoking room

KCW

I can't beleive I'm asking this question. My wife is getting pissed everytime I have a cigar in the garage with the door closed ('cause it's cold). We just did a Renovation/Small Addition on our house last year which has left a 12' X 20' space under the addition. She said, "I should use that space to smoke in during the Winter". The thing is, this space is directly under our bedroom. It is currently un-finished so, I have plans. One of the first things I want to consider is Air Purification. If I smoke one per week, I'm lucky. So, it won't be used (for smoking cigars) every day. But when I do smoke a cigar in there I want to make sure no smoke/odors get into the bedroom above or remain in the room as I plan on making it like "Man Cave" and finish it off. I know some of you guys use or at least researched them (air purifiers). I was wondering what advice people who have a smoking area have for me. Thanks in advance. (I'm Giddy like a kid at Christmas).

catfishbluezz

Maybe check out negative ion generators. I know people who use them for other reasons... We used them in college dorms...to kill smoke... I'd hit up a B&M as I'd imagine they have some sort of oxygen filtration system pumping clean air in and smoke out....similiar to a casino.

jlmarta

catfishbluezz:

Maybe check out negative ion generators. I know people who use them for other reasons... We used them in college dorms...to kill smoke... I'd hit up a B&M as I'd imagine they have some sort of oxygen filtration system pumping clean air in and smoke out....similiar to a casino.

So, how well did they work in the dorm rooms? I'm guessing they weren't used for cigar smoke but what's your best guess as to how effective one of these units would be against cigar smoke?

Krieg

I would suggest Checking out a rabbit air purifier. This is the one I'm going to get for my cigar room.

jlmarta

Krieg:

I would suggest Checking out a rabbit air purifier. This is the one I'm going to get for my cigar room.

I have a couple questions, Krieg. Which model Rabbit are you referring to? And have you looked at the Atlas electrostatic ionic carbon filter air purifier? If so, what is your opinion of it? What features of the Rabbit impressed you most?

I'm really interested in pursuing an air cleaner/deodorizer for my own use. Anything you can tell me would be appreciated. Thanks.

Rhamlin

Iknow Alex was talking about his new house he's building with plans for a smoking room. Bet he's got good tips on good ones.

catfishbluezz

We used a spray... It killed the smoke instantly and the smell. Very effective so I would think a generator Would do the same

KCW

From what I've found so far; Electrostatic vs. HEPA. These seem to be the two types of units to decide on. Considering how this room will be used (for my family), I will only need the Air Purification strictly for Cigar Smoke when I actually smoke in there. In the Winter, if I get to have one stick a week, I'm lucky. Right now, I'm leaning toward an electrostatic unit because,
1) The filter is permanent and you just have to clean it when it notifies you to clean it. No replacing.
2) The Electrostatic units are supposedly quieter.
3) Both are recomended for smoke by certain manufacturers.

JDH

There is no affordable air purification device that will solve your problem. Ventilation of the smoke, as it is being created, is the only good solution. If possible, put a window in, and install an exhaust fan in it while you use the garage for smoking, and sit close to that window while smoking, or use a powerful exhaust fan that vents directly to the outside. There will be no substitute for this approach. Air purification can only comprise a secondary component in the removal of the problem.

jlmarta

KCW:

From what I've found so far; Electrostatic vs. HEPA. These seem to be the two types of units to decide on. Considering how this room will be used (for my family), I will only need the Air Purification strictly for Cigar Smoke when I actually smoke in there. In the Winter, if I get to have one stick a week, I'm lucky. Right now, I'm leaning toward an electrostatic unit because,
1) The filter is permanent and you just have to clean it when it notifies you to clean it. No replacing.
2) The Electrostatic units are supposedly quieter.
3) Both are recomended for smoke by certain manufacturers.

Good info. Have you made any decisions as to brand/model? Was one of the ones you looked at the Atlas electrostatic/ion one?

JDH

JDH:

There is no affordable air purification device that will solve your problem. Ventilation of the smoke, as it is being created, is the only good solution. If possible, put a window in, and install an exhaust fan in it while you use the garage for smoking, and sit close to that window while smoking, or use a powerful exhaust fan that vents directly to the outside. There will be no substitute for this approach. Air purification can only comprise a secondary component in the removal of the problem.

If a window is too expensive, then you could consider installing a large breed dog door about 3' off the ground. Find a good exhaust fan that will fit in the door while you are smoking, and build a removable, lockable barrier to use on the exterior side while you aren't smoking.

JDH

JDH:

JDH:

There is no affordable air purification device that will solve your problem. Ventilation of the smoke, as it is being created, is the only good solution. If possible, put a window in, and install an exhaust fan in it while you use the garage for smoking, and sit close to that window while smoking, or use a powerful exhaust fan that vents directly to the outside. There will be no substitute for this approach. Air purification can only comprise a secondary component in the removal of the problem.

If a window is too expensive, then you could consider installing a large breed dog door about 3' off the ground. Find a good exhaust fan that will fit in the door while you are smoking, and build a removable, lockable barrier (or frame up a little exterior door on hinges using the existing exterior siding to fit inside the dog door, and lock it from the inside).

KCW

JDH:

There is no affordable air purification device that will solve your problem. Ventilation of the smoke, as it is being created, is the only good solution. If possible, put a window in, and install an exhaust fan in it while you use the garage for smoking, and sit close to that window while smoking, or use a powerful exhaust fan that vents directly to the outside. There will be no substitute for this approach. Air purification can only comprise a secondary component in the removal of the problem.

Excellent Point! : You are 100% correct. I should have mentioned that, I do plan on installing an Exhaust fan (possible two). I would put the Fans on timers so they could continue to rubn for a period of time after I have stopped smoking. And, there is one small basement type Window in the area now. The Air Purification device would be in addition too and only used when smoking in that area.

KCW

jlmarta:

KCW:

From what I've found so far; Electrostatic vs. HEPA. These seem to be the two types of units to decide on. Considering how this room will be used (for my family), I will only need the Air Purification strictly for Cigar Smoke when I actually smoke in there. In the Winter, if I get to have one stick a week, I'm lucky. Right now, I'm leaning toward an electrostatic unit because,
1) The filter is permanent and you just have to clean it when it notifies you to clean it. No replacing.
2) The Electrostatic units are supposedly quieter.
3) Both are recomended for smoke by certain manufacturers.

Good info. Have you made any decisions as to brand/model? Was one of the ones you looked at the Atlas electrostatic/ion one?

I have not made a decision on a Brand/Model as of yet. I just did a search for Air Purification and found a link to a company (Possibly Atlas) that had the Pros & Cons of the various types.

jlmarta

KCW:

jlmarta:

KCW:

From what I've found so far; Electrostatic vs. HEPA. These seem to be the two types of units to decide on. Considering how this room will be used (for my family), I will only need the Air Purification strictly for Cigar Smoke when I actually smoke in there. In the Winter, if I get to have one stick a week, I'm lucky. Right now, I'm leaning toward an electrostatic unit because,
1) The filter is permanent and you just have to clean it when it notifies you to clean it. No replacing.
2) The Electrostatic units are supposedly quieter.
3) Both are recomended for smoke by certain manufacturers.

Good info. Have you made any decisions as to brand/model? Was one of the ones you looked at the Atlas electrostatic/ion one?

I have not made a decision on a Brand/Model as of yet. I just did a search for Air Purification and found a link to a company (Possibly Atlas) that had the Pros & Cons of the various types.

Is this the one: Atlas?

JDH

KCW:

JDH:

There is no affordable air purification device that will solve your problem. Ventilation of the smoke, as it is being created, is the only good solution. If possible, put a window in, and install an exhaust fan in it while you use the garage for smoking, and sit close to that window while smoking, or use a powerful exhaust fan that vents directly to the outside. There will be no substitute for this approach. Air purification can only comprise a secondary component in the removal of the problem.

Excellent Point! : You are 100% correct. I should have mentioned that, I do plan on installing an Exhaust fan (possible two). I would put the Fans on timers so they could continue to rubn for a period of time after I have stopped smoking. And, there is one small basement type Window in the area now. The Air Purification device would be in addition too and only used when smoking in that area.

I've found that an hour is just about the right amount of time to run the exhaust in the room after I'm done. Try to sit directly below the fans in your garage, and watch the smoke. If it all gets sucked up and out, you are good to go, but if it wanders around at all, you'll need more exhaust. Also, try to avoid using an exhaust on a side of the house where your prevailing winter winds are...it'll be like pissing into the wind, as it were.

cooch36

two exhaust fans and one automatic air scent. I use on exhaust vent aka bathroom vent I installed directly out and it works good but two would be perfect. I smoke a couple a wk and you would have no idea the next morning that It was smoked in. air scent from price chopper spritzes 9,18,32 minutes I keep it on 32 and when I smoke put it on 9. battaries are a yr old just changed and used about 6 cans or less of stuff for $5 each. PS a sheet rock ceiling whould also help alot no smoke getting by like ceiling tiles.

KCW

jlmarta:

KCW:

jlmarta:

KCW:

From what I've found so far; Electrostatic vs. HEPA. These seem to be the two types of units to decide on. Considering how this room will be used (for my family), I will only need the Air Purification strictly for Cigar Smoke when I actually smoke in there. In the Winter, if I get to have one stick a week, I'm lucky. Right now, I'm leaning toward an electrostatic unit because,
1) The filter is permanent and you just have to clean it when it notifies you to clean it. No replacing.
2) The Electrostatic units are supposedly quieter.
3) Both are recomended for smoke by certain manufacturers.

Good info. Have you made any decisions as to brand/model? Was one of the ones you looked at the Atlas electrostatic/ion one?

I have not made a decision on a Brand/Model as of yet. I just did a search for Air Purification and found a link to a company (Possibly Atlas) that had the Pros & Cons of the various types.

Is this the one: Atlas?

Nope. Haven't looked at that one yet. Most of the ones I've been looking at were more in the $160.00 -$320.00 range. Do you have that one Marty?

KCW

JDH:

KCW:

JDH:

There is no affordable air purification device that will solve your problem. Ventilation of the smoke, as it is being created, is the only good solution. If possible, put a window in, and install an exhaust fan in it while you use the garage for smoking, and sit close to that window while smoking, or use a powerful exhaust fan that vents directly to the outside. There will be no substitute for this approach. Air purification can only comprise a secondary component in the removal of the problem.

Excellent Point! : You are 100% correct. I should have mentioned that, I do plan on installing an Exhaust fan (possible two). I would put the Fans on timers so they could continue to rubn for a period of time after I have stopped smoking. And, there is one small basement type Window in the area now. The Air Purification device would be in addition too and only used when smoking in that area.

I've found that an hour is just about the right amount of time to run the exhaust in the room after I'm done. Try to sit directly below the fans in your garage, and watch the smoke. If it all gets sucked up and out, you are good to go, but if it wanders around at all, you'll need more exhaust. Also, try to avoid using an exhaust on a side of the house where your prevailing winter winds are...it'll be like pissing into the wind, as it were.

Thanks. Good advice. I didn't even think of that.

KCW

cooch36:

two exhaust fans and one automatic air scent. I use on exhaust vent aka bathroom vent I installed directly out and it works good but two would be perfect. I smoke a couple a wk and you would have no idea the next morning that It was smoked in. air scent from price chopper spritzes 9,18,32 minutes I keep it on 32 and when I smoke put it on 9. battaries are a yr old just changed and used about 6 cans or less of stuff for $5 each. PS a sheet rock ceiling whould also help alot no smoke getting by like ceiling tiles.

Since all the framing is still exposed, I was thinking of some HD Plastic Sheeting (over the insualtion), then Plywood Ceiling and walls (where there is no concrete foundation walls). I was also thinking of Putting in some baseboard heat, Cable (for TV) & putting an Epoxy covering on the concrete floor (to make it look nicer).

jgibv

KCW:

cooch36:

two exhaust fans and one automatic air scent. I use on exhaust vent aka bathroom vent I installed directly out and it works good but two would be perfect. I smoke a couple a wk and you would have no idea the next morning that It was smoked in. air scent from price chopper spritzes 9,18,32 minutes I keep it on 32 and when I smoke put it on 9. battaries are a yr old just changed and used about 6 cans or less of stuff for $5 each. PS a sheet rock ceiling whould also help alot no smoke getting by like ceiling tiles.

Since all the framing is still exposed, I was thinking of some HD Plastic Sheeting (over the insualtion), then Plywood Ceiling and walls (where there is no concrete foundation walls). I was also thinking of Putting in some baseboard heat, Cable (for TV) & putting an Epoxy covering on the concrete floor (to make it look nicer).

What type of insulation are you going to use? Have you considered using spray foam as opposed to fiberglass insulation?
I would think that, since the spray foam fills all the nooks and crannys, you could use that for insulation and skip on the HD plastic sheeting.

I don't know if the extra cost of the spray foam would be worth it though.

KCW

jgibv:

KCW:

cooch36:

two exhaust fans and one automatic air scent. I use on exhaust vent aka bathroom vent I installed directly out and it works good but two would be perfect. I smoke a couple a wk and you would have no idea the next morning that It was smoked in. air scent from price chopper spritzes 9,18,32 minutes I keep it on 32 and when I smoke put it on 9. battaries are a yr old just changed and used about 6 cans or less of stuff for $5 each. PS a sheet rock ceiling whould also help alot no smoke getting by like ceiling tiles.

Since all the framing is still exposed, I was thinking of some HD Plastic Sheeting (over the insualtion), then Plywood Ceiling and walls (where there is no concrete foundation walls). I was also thinking of Putting in some baseboard heat, Cable (for TV) & putting an Epoxy covering on the concrete floor (to make it look nicer).

What type of insulation are you going to use? Have you considered using spray foam as opposed to fiberglass insulation?
I would think that, since the spray foam fills all the nooks and crannys, you could use that for insulation and skip on the HD plastic sheeting.

I don't know if the extra cost of the spray foam would be worth it though.

The house renovation is already done. This is just an "extra" space (as a result of the addition) that was left un-finished. There is regular Fiberglass Insulation in this area. Although, everything is still exposed. So, technically, I could pretty much do anything I want. Its easy enough to put up the sheeting at this point.

jgibv

KCW:

jgibv:

KCW:

cooch36:

two exhaust fans and one automatic air scent. I use on exhaust vent aka bathroom vent I installed directly out and it works good but two would be perfect. I smoke a couple a wk and you would have no idea the next morning that It was smoked in. air scent from price chopper spritzes 9,18,32 minutes I keep it on 32 and when I smoke put it on 9. battaries are a yr old just changed and used about 6 cans or less of stuff for $5 each. PS a sheet rock ceiling whould also help alot no smoke getting by like ceiling tiles.

Since all the framing is still exposed, I was thinking of some HD Plastic Sheeting (over the insualtion), then Plywood Ceiling and walls (where there is no concrete foundation walls). I was also thinking of Putting in some baseboard heat, Cable (for TV) & putting an Epoxy covering on the concrete floor (to make it look nicer).

What type of insulation are you going to use? Have you considered using spray foam as opposed to fiberglass insulation?
I would think that, since the spray foam fills all the nooks and crannys, you could use that for insulation and skip on the HD plastic sheeting.

I don't know if the extra cost of the spray foam would be worth it though.

The house renovation is already done. This is just an "extra" space (as a result of the addition) that was left un-finished. There is regular Fiberglass Insulation in this area. Although, everything is still exposed. So, technically, I could pretty much do anything I want. Its easy enough to put up the sheeting at this point.

Got it; no sense of ripping down the insulation that's already there then. Good luck getting the sheeting up and finishing off this space. It sounds like it will be a real great man cave and a nice place to smoke cigars. Post some pics when you're done, I'd love to see how it turns out.

KCW

jgibv:

KCW:

jgibv:

KCW:

cooch36:

two exhaust fans and one automatic air scent. I use on exhaust vent aka bathroom vent I installed directly out and it works good but two would be perfect. I smoke a couple a wk and you would have no idea the next morning that It was smoked in. air scent from price chopper spritzes 9,18,32 minutes I keep it on 32 and when I smoke put it on 9. battaries are a yr old just changed and used about 6 cans or less of stuff for $5 each. PS a sheet rock ceiling whould also help alot no smoke getting by like ceiling tiles.

Since all the framing is still exposed, I was thinking of some HD Plastic Sheeting (over the insualtion), then Plywood Ceiling and walls (where there is no concrete foundation walls). I was also thinking of Putting in some baseboard heat, Cable (for TV) & putting an Epoxy covering on the concrete floor (to make it look nicer).

What type of insulation are you going to use? Have you considered using spray foam as opposed to fiberglass insulation?
I would think that, since the spray foam fills all the nooks and crannys, you could use that for insulation and skip on the HD plastic sheeting.

I don't know if the extra cost of the spray foam would be worth it though.

The house renovation is already done. This is just an "extra" space (as a result of the addition) that was left un-finished. There is regular Fiberglass Insulation in this area. Although, everything is still exposed. So, technically, I could pretty much do anything I want. Its easy enough to put up the sheeting at this point.

Got it; no sense of ripping down the insulation that's already there then. Good luck getting the sheeting up and finishing off this space. It sounds like it will be a real great man cave and a nice place to smoke cigars. Post some pics when you're done, I'd love to see how it turns out.

Thanks. Will do. I want to give it some thought before I dig into this. First things first. I've got to run some more power in there for Outlets, Exhaust fans, TV, etc. Once thats done, the rest should'nt be too much of a problem. I should have this thing good to go by August(LOL).

cooch36

kcw plastic a good Idea, I have a drop because it was pre-existing I assume there is some smoke bleed into floor joist with this set up if I remodle I will do it differently as the ceiling is installed wrong anyway.

KCW

cooch36:

kcw plastic a good Idea, I have a drop because it was pre-existing I assume there is some smoke bleed into floor joist with this set up if I remodle I will do it differently as the ceiling is installed wrong anyway.

Yeah. I think so. Its such an easy thing to do at this point. I think I'm gonna go for it. My other (original) part of my basement has a dropped ceiling done wrong as well. Thats next.....

JDH

I would drywall over the exposed wall studs for the fire rating, if nothing else. It's not that expensive, and can be finished off nicely at a min cost.

KCW

JDH:

I would drywall over the exposed wall studs for the fire rating, if nothing else. It's not that expensive, and can be finished off nicely at a min cost.

Another good point!

JDH

KCW:

JDH:

I would drywall over the exposed wall studs for the fire rating, if nothing else. It's not that expensive, and can be finished off nicely at a min cost.

Another good point!

You really should drywall the ceiling too, if it's not already, for the fire rating. If you have a fire, God forbid, at least the drywall will hold it up for a little while, and contain it till the FD guys get there.

KCW

JDH:

KCW:

JDH:

I would drywall over the exposed wall studs for the fire rating, if nothing else. It's not that expensive, and can be finished off nicely at a min cost.

Another good point!

You really should drywall the ceiling too, if it's not already, for the fire rating. If you have a fire, God forbid, at least the drywall will hold it up for a little while, and contain it till the FD guys get there.

I agree. You are (again) 100% correct. I really appreciate all the help. Let me know if you have any other suggestions

JDH

KCW:

JDH:

KCW:

JDH:

I would drywall over the exposed wall studs for the fire rating, if nothing else. It's not that expensive, and can be finished off nicely at a min cost.

Another good point!

You really should drywall the ceiling too, if it's not already, for the fire rating. If you have a fire, God forbid, at least the drywall will hold it up for a little while, and contain it till the FD guys get there.

I agree. You are (again) 100% correct. I really appreciate all the help. Let me know if you have any other suggestions

Can you put up some pictures of the space?