ObamaCare comes up before the Supreme Court today

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Vulchor

Cant wait to bust ur balls on this one Macro------unless of course they find it unconstitutional, in which case I will be curiously absent from conversation.

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Vulchor:

Cant wait to bust ur balls on this one Macro------unless of course they find it unconstitutional, in which case I will be curiously absent from conversation.

ROFL - same way I feel; I've got one hand on the "I told you so" button, and one foot out the door

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gmill880

beatnic

Vulchor:

Cant wait to bust ur balls on this one Macro------unless of course they find it unconstitutional, in which case I will be curiously absent from conversation.

Come on Vulch, we want you hear your disappointment. I'll gladly add my mine if your side wins, while I'm busy oiling and shinning my weaponry. LOL

Vulchor

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dennisking

Interesting thing I learned today: you can be fined for not carrying your own healthcare insurance under the healthcare reform. That seems unconstitutional to me.

Ken Light

dennisking:

Interesting thing I learned today: you can be fined for not carrying your own healthcare insurance under the healthcare reform. That seems unconstitutional to me.

This is the major sticking point of it. However, there is a provision in there where if it costs more than something like 15% of your annual income, you're exempt. Don't get me wrong, I'm against the bill, but I'm also for you being fully informed.

beatnic

I'm curious as to how they would actually be able to tell if you own insurance. How do we know who doesn't? Is this just for citizens who file income taxes? What about the poor? What about aliens, legal or not? How do you tell? Will you be required to "carry" proof? How about a national ID? The left already argues that the poor are burdened by even getting an ID. Voter laws?

Amos Umwhat

dennisking:

Interesting thing I learned today: you can be fined for not carrying your own healthcare insurance under the healthcare reform. That seems unconstitutional to me.

I heard Tom Coburn discussing another aspect that worries me, the lack of accountablity of the Comittee, or Bureau, or Panel, or whatever it will be that sets the rules concerning re-imbursement to the providers. When reimbursement is too low to cover costs, and it likely will be so, then the provision of health care to the recipients will suffer, and how will this be addressed? Does the individual then make up the difference "out of pocket"? Not necessarily all bad, everyone behaves a little more responsibly when their skin's in the game, so to speak, but we already have too many overly powerful bureaucracys now.

Theedge

I have a feeling that the folks in favor Obama care (at least many of them) don't know what they're asking for. The first time they actually have to pay for something.....they might not like it so much.

beatnic

I've read the transcripts from today and it was very telling. We had liberal justices trying to help the solicitor general make his argument. And he took a beating from the conservatives. It doesn't look too good for the mandate.

Vulchor

No it does not-------I (and millions of others) lose again:/

Krieger

beatnic

Vulchor

Agreed Krieger---agreed.

JDH

Vulchor

Hate to sound like a broken record here-----but well said JDH.

beatnic

kuzi16

stephen_hannibal

Vulchor

There may be more the 2 options Kuz...sure. However, ho wmany practical options are there? Or ones that could truly ever be implemented? Its easier to talk in hypotheticals and propositions than it is to put forth actual plans that are feasible.

Vulchor

And Beat------I cant think of another good/service whatever that is similar to insurance. So I dont see anything these that could be mandated. I am open to hear things similar, but it is a rather unique catergory.

kuzi16

Vulchor

I will listen to anything and dont really appreciate the condescending tone, though it is expected. None of the ideas you stated are any more able to be put in place than Obamacare. The left will bash those ideas, as the right has for Obamacare. This is my point...make ideas both sides can agree on, not just the talking points for the side you prefer. I do not prefer the mandate as a violation of rights, or a leftist proposal---I prefer it as it makes peopel accountable for their own expenses instead of passing that on to others. To me, paying for another guys expenses because he doesnt have insurance is the definition of violating my rights.

JDH

Vulchor

Might I also add that within 2 posts of you getting into a political discussion you have alraedy insulted 2 people you replied to. Also broke your own word of not participating in such discussions which I assume has at least something to do with the fact you cannot control your comments about others personal feelings.

kuzi16

JDH