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  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
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  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
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  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 7,349
    The mandates is lame, was never a fan of it. However it does help drive costs down. Same is with car insurance. Difference is, you can choose not to drive, not have healthcare. My wife and I got slapped with a 9,000 dollar bill for going to the ER for a asthma attack at night and WE have insurance. However through some BS loopholes we got slammed. So I'm all for getting private insurer's out of the insurance arena, at least medical. I only have insurance through my employer because of my wife, I use to use the VA. I am/was hoping medicare would be allowed to open up to lower aged people and eventually be open for all. And do away with medicare part d.
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 7,349
  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
    MANDATE! Scary term. If it passes I guess the government will just start to call it Mandate No. 1!
  • KriegerKrieger Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 337
    its needed tho... WAY too many people dont get coverage and the rest of us who follow the rules and work our assess off have to foot it all... MAKE those idiots get covered and problem solved. it's really not as bad as people are making it out to be... look it up, but from a REPUTABLE source... no Fox or anyone else who will lie through their teeth...
  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
    Krieger:
    its needed tho... WAY too many people dont get coverage and the rest of us who follow the rules and work our assess off have to foot it all... MAKE those idiots get covered and problem solved. it's really not as bad as people are making it out to be... look it up, but from a REPUTABLE source... no Fox or anyone else who will lie through their teeth...
    I don't think it will change things. The people who can't get coverage now will get subsidies, footed by the rest of us who follow the rules and work our asses off. There really should be an incentive to work.
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
    beatnic:
    Krieger:
    its needed tho... WAY too many people dont get coverage and the rest of us who follow the rules and work our assess off have to foot it all... MAKE those idiots get covered and problem solved. it's really not as bad as people are making it out to be... look it up, but from a REPUTABLE source... no Fox or anyone else who will lie through their teeth...
    I don't think it will change things. The people who can't get coverage now will get subsidies, footed by the rest of us who follow the rules and work our asses off. There really should be an incentive to work.
    If incentives are needed, they are to bring back every single American job that has been shipped overseas to China or Vietnam or India so that CEO's can take advantage of slave wages and make obscene profits for themselves, while squeezing the hell out of workers here at home. Nobldy in this country should have to choose between getting medical care or bankruptcy, and those who do not have the means or the inclination to get health insurance should not be allowed to continue to drive up the ever increasing cost of health insurance for the rest of us. How is it that every single other "developed" nation on the face of the earth has universal healthcare for their populations at lower costs than the US? We are facing a fundamental choice now; do we become a social darwinist nation that says , "let 'em die!!!" to those who need medical care, but who have no insurance, or do we solve this problem in a civilized manner, like so many other countries have.
  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    Krieger:
    its needed tho... WAY too many people dont get coverage and the rest of us who follow the rules and work our assess off have to foot it all... MAKE those idiots get covered and problem solved. it's really not as bad as people are making it out to be... look it up, but from a REPUTABLE source... no Fox or anyone else who will lie through their teeth...
    I don't think it will change things. The people who can't get coverage now will get subsidies, footed by the rest of us who follow the rules and work our asses off. There really should be an incentive to work.
    If incentives are needed, they are to bring back every single American job that has been shipped overseas to China or Vietnam or India so that CEO's can take advantage of slave wages and make obscene profits for themselves, while squeezing the hell out of workers here at home. Nobldy in this country should have to choose between getting medical care or bankruptcy, and those who do not have the means or the inclination to get health insurance should not be allowed to continue to drive up the ever increasing cost of health insurance for the rest of us. How is it that every single other "developed" nation on the face of the earth has universal healthcare for their populations at lower costs than the US? We are facing a fundamental choice now; do we become a social darwinist nation that says , "let 'em die!!!" to those who need medical care, but who have no insurance, or do we solve this problem in a civilized manner, like so many other countries have.
    My comment was directed to the fact that the law is written to punish (negative) those who don't get on board. As Krieger said "make those people" do it. Or penalize them. Those evil users. Not a humane approach in my opinion. And definitely not one born from Liberty. The only other alternative in there plan is to ask for relief. Then the state owns you. It should be set up so it encourages business growth and entrepreneurialism. I guess its just a different paradigm.
  • Amos UmwhatAmos Umwhat Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,523
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
    beatnic:
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    Krieger:
    its needed tho... WAY too many people dont get coverage and the rest of us who follow the rules and work our assess off have to foot it all... MAKE those idiots get covered and problem solved. it's really not as bad as people are making it out to be... look it up, but from a REPUTABLE source... no Fox or anyone else who will lie through their teeth...
    I don't think it will change things. The people who can't get coverage now will get subsidies, footed by the rest of us who follow the rules and work our asses off. There really should be an incentive to work.
    If incentives are needed, they are to bring back every single American job that has been shipped overseas to China or Vietnam or India so that CEO's can take advantage of slave wages and make obscene profits for themselves, while squeezing the hell out of workers here at home. Nobldy in this country should have to choose between getting medical care or bankruptcy, and those who do not have the means or the inclination to get health insurance should not be allowed to continue to drive up the ever increasing cost of health insurance for the rest of us. How is it that every single other "developed" nation on the face of the earth has universal healthcare for their populations at lower costs than the US? We are facing a fundamental choice now; do we become a social darwinist nation that says , "let 'em die!!!" to those who need medical care, but who have no insurance, or do we solve this problem in a civilized manner, like so many other countries have.
    My comment was directed to the fact that the law is written to punish (negative) those who don't get on board. As Krieger said "make those people" do it. Or penalize them. Those evil users. Not a humane approach in my opinion. And definitely not one born from Liberty. The only other alternative in there plan is to ask for relief. Then the state owns you. It should be set up so it encourages business growth and entrepreneurialism. I guess its just a different paradigm.
    ...and your solution is ...WHAT?
  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    Krieger:
    its needed tho... WAY too many people dont get coverage and the rest of us who follow the rules and work our assess off have to foot it all... MAKE those idiots get covered and problem solved. it's really not as bad as people are making it out to be... look it up, but from a REPUTABLE source... no Fox or anyone else who will lie through their teeth...
    I don't think it will change things. The people who can't get coverage now will get subsidies, footed by the rest of us who follow the rules and work our asses off. There really should be an incentive to work.
    If incentives are needed, they are to bring back every single American job that has been shipped overseas to China or Vietnam or India so that CEO's can take advantage of slave wages and make obscene profits for themselves, while squeezing the hell out of workers here at home. Nobldy in this country should have to choose between getting medical care or bankruptcy, and those who do not have the means or the inclination to get health insurance should not be allowed to continue to drive up the ever increasing cost of health insurance for the rest of us. How is it that every single other "developed" nation on the face of the earth has universal healthcare for their populations at lower costs than the US? We are facing a fundamental choice now; do we become a social darwinist nation that says , "let 'em die!!!" to those who need medical care, but who have no insurance, or do we solve this problem in a civilized manner, like so many other countries have.
    My comment was directed to the fact that the law is written to punish (negative) those who don't get on board. As Krieger said "make those people" do it. Or penalize them. Those evil users. Not a humane approach in my opinion. And definitely not one born from Liberty. The only other alternative in there plan is to ask for relief. Then the state owns you. It should be set up so it encourages business growth and entrepreneurialism. I guess its just a different paradigm.
    ...and your solution is ...WHAT?
    Reduce corporate tax rates, lift the drilling moratorium, build the pipeline, give tax relief and incentives to small farmers and small business, let the states run education,quit sending our money to other countries,simplify the tax code, eliminate the tsa, dept education, epa, close the border, drug test anyone receiving gov aid, hold congress accountable with our money and their jobs,"..........i could go on and onand you can puntch holes in every one of my points, butmy overall message is that i dont think punishing individual americans is the answer. All of these actions would improve the entire economy and healthcare costs will then become more attainablr to every one. Notice there are no punishments for writing bad law.
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
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  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
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  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
  • beatnicbeatnic Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,133
    Jdh. You've said twice that that's not the kind of country you would want to live in. Which other country do you prefer. Who has your ideal utopian lifestyle?
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
    beatnic:
    Jdh. You've said twice that that's not the kind of country you would want to live in. Which other country do you prefer. Who has your ideal utopian lifestyle?
    The United States of America; the one I grew up in and dearly love.
  • JDHJDH Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,107
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