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RainRain Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 8,761
imageRobert Shellmyer was relieved to see last week at his hometown’s 175th anniversary celebration that the local police department’s new prized possession was not driving alongside the tractors and floats in the parade. That’s because a 45,000-pound, explosion-resistant vehicle from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan might spoil the mood. Shellmyer, a 78-year-old city councilman for the small town of Washington, Iowa, was the sole local politician to vote against the department of 12 police officers getting the free MRAP — short for mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicle — from the Defense Department three months ago. Washington is one of hundreds of towns and cities to get a recycled MRAP from the Pentagon over the past year and a half. “Here’s the thing,” Shellmyer says. “Washington, Iowa, has 8,000 people. We have an MRAP now. We have a SWAT team. We have [police] dogs, and we have a SWAT team transportation vehicle that’s not armored.” The city councilman began to think: “Goodness, this is overkill.” But as a new report by the ACLU demonstrates, Washington’s use of military tactics and equipment has become the norm. Most of America’s police departments now have special paramilitary units — called SWAT teams — to respond to emergency situations, conduct drug raids and even, in some cases, patrol the streets. In the past few years, more of these SWAT teams are getting armored vehicles provided by the federal government to expand their capabilities. Law enforcement leaders say the increased military equipment and tactics are necessary to respond to violent emergency events such as school shootings. Critics counter that the militarization of police causes needless violence. The ACLU report found that 46 civilians were injured in 818 SWAT raids over two years in 11 states. Children were present in the home in 14 percent of the raids the group studied. In 60 percent of the raids, police had a search warrant for a drug offense. Only 7 percent of the SWAT deployments the ACLU studied were for hostage or active shooter scenarios. The MRAPs, designed to protect U.S. soldiers from roadside bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, are now providing more firepower to these raids thanks to the Defense Department’s 1033 program, which began in the late 1980s to recycle old military equipment to local police. (That includes tens of thousands of machine guns, as well as more quotidian items such as office furniture and computers.) The Department of Homeland Security, meanwhile, provides millions of dollars in grants to local police to buy lighter armored vehicles, like BearCats, to combat terrorism or drug running. (Keene, New Hampshire, received a DHS grant on the strength of an application that listed its annual pumpkin festival as one of several potential terrorist targets.) Unlike when they apply for DHS grants, police departments do not have to make the case that they are facing a terror threat to receive an MRAP under the Defense Department program. The Pentagon has given away 600 MRAPs since it began unloading the vehicles last year. The demand for the hulking machines is growing. “There’s been a real steady increase in police stations taking advantage of this,” said Mark Wright, a Defense Department spokesman. “It’s a heck of a good deal. ... ‘Here’s the MRAP free of charge. You’ve got to pay for maintenance and gas, but other than that we’ll take care of the rest.’” Police departments can cruise for MRAPs and other free military equipment online. A government website that advertises the available equipment shows armored vehicles covered in American flags and branded “POLICE.” Police departments are asked to specify if they want an armored vehicle that is tracked, like a tank, or one that is on wheels. The supply of extra MRAPs is likely to only increase — the government spent $50 billion to produce 27,000 of them in 2007. “Now that the Iraq and Afghanistan war has wound down, the military has a tremendous amount of surplus,” said Pete Kraska, a criminology professor at Eastern Kentucky University who has studied SWAT teams for 25 years. But Kraska doesn’t think it’s a good thing for local police to inherit those leftovers. Though military-style tactics are necessary to respond to extreme situations — such as an active shooter — SWAT teams are predominantly being used to raid private homes in search of drugs. The decommissioned Defense Department gear is likely just to encourage more of those raids carried out by police wearing battle fatigues, another item the 1033 program doles out. Because the Pentagon just started handing out the MRAPs in 2013, it’s unclear how they’re being used. Some SWAT teams use them just for transportation to a raid, but at least one department has used the vehicle to bust through a door. The ACLU wasn’t able to determine how often the vehicles were used by SWAT teams, according to the report’s author Kara Dansky. Many of the armored vehicles end up in hamlets like Washington, which might seem surprising, except that SWAT teams have grown exponentially in small towns over the past 20 years. Kraska found that 80 percent of small towns had SWAT teams by 2005, up from just 20 percent in 1980. More than 90 percent of city departments have the special units. Police say the vehicles are necessary to protect officers in a violent world. William Brister, a captain in the Rapides Parish Sheriff’s Office in Louisiana, said his department decided it needed an armored vehicle after a shootout in 2003 left two officers dead and four more wounded. The Rapides SWAT team was delivering a search warrant to a gunman’s house after he was suspected of shooting at a police car the week earlier. Hundreds of shots were fired over two hours, and one resident told the local paper at the time that it sounded like “a war zone.” The MRAP could also come in handy for rescue missions after flooding or a hurricane, he said. The armored vehicle ended up costing the Rapides department $15,000 through various state and transportation fees, which Brister calls “a good chunk of change,” but he believes it’s worth it. That’s not counting gas for the 75-gallon tank, though, or training, which the Pentagon doesn’t provide. “A guy from MRAP University” came and trained eight of the officers in how to operate the heavy vehicle, Brister said. For now, the hulking MRAP is just sitting in the yard near a police building. In Washington, meanwhile, Shellmyer gets ribbed by the locals for the vehicle and the local media attention it’s garnered. “I go down to a little filling station, and there’s always two or three boys sipping coffee and they say, ‘Well Shellmyer do you feel safer now that we have a tank?’” The city councilman just shrugs it off. “We’re just trying to put the blanket over the top of it and hopefully people will forget we have it.”http://news.yahoo.com/as-wars-wind-down--small-town-cops-inherit-armored-vehicles-233505138.html
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  • RainRain Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 8,761
    In my mind, these things are associated with Iraq/Afghanistan...not Suburbia, USA. I rarely got to drive, but I did get to gun.So...if I saw on of these rolling down the street of my neighborhood, it would be a real "Da fuq?" moment. I'm not saying that the police don't need these, and it is better then just leaving them in Afghanistan...but...meh. Just seems like overkill.
  • jgibvjgibv Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 5,996
  • RainRain Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 8,761
    Just picked mine up...came with sunglasses and a rifle.image
  • jgibvjgibv Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 5,996
    Rain:
    Just picked mine up...came with sunglasses and a rifle.image
    sexy
  • RainRain Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 8,761
    "William Brister, a captain in the Rapides Parish Sheriff’s Office in Louisiana, said his department decided it needed an armored vehicle after a shootout in 2003 left two officers dead and four more wounded. The Rapides SWAT team was delivering a search warrant to a gunman’s house after he was suspected of shooting at a police car the week earlier. Hundreds of shots were fired over two hours, and one resident told the local paper at the time that it sounded like “a war zone.”"I mean...I don't get it. You have to get out of the truck to arrest people. The vehicles provide protection from explosives and gunfire while traveling. I would imagine that most calls in the USA don't involve being shot at and blown up while in route. I also love the line that a SWAT team used one to break a door down...more like a whole wall, I'm sure.
  • Ken LightKen Light Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 3,524
    Ah, there's the end-game. I've been trying to figure it out forever, now it's obvious. 13 years of warring, mostly stretched out needlessly to justify epic spending on far more firepower than should have been necessary, but why? What's the point? Drain the populous of it's money and then step in to give them back that which they've given up, creating dependence? Yes, sure, but is that enough? It seems so unsatisfying. Now it's obvious, it was to bring it all back home, of course, to effectively militarize the police into a gestapo. Meantime flood the media with fearmongers so the rabble think these arms and this extra protection is good while simultaneously giving up their arms with which they might defend themselves, "for their own safety" of course. Well played, I must say.
  • jgibvjgibv Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 5,996
  • RainRain Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 8,761
    Plus the back ramp takes like 15 seconds to lower..."You stay there while we get out! You're in trouble!"You want intimidation? Air Assault out of a helicopter :) Not only looks way cooler, but..it's a helicopter.
  • webmostwebmost Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 3,131
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  • RainRain Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 8,761
    I'm on my way...but it only gets like 3MPG and tops out at like 30mph. So, yeah, it'll take me a while.
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  • SleevePlzSleevePlz Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 5,408
    First of all, y'all are forgetting that Red Dawn can and will happen. That's why they made the movie twice. You'll be happy when Patrick Swayze/Chris Hemsworth has easy access to this stuff when that does happen. Lol, really though, I'll focus on a line in the original post that seems preposterously exaggerated.
    Rain:
    Kraska found that 80 percent of small towns had SWAT teams by 2005, up from just 20 percent in 1980. More than 90 percent of city departments have the special units.
    I thought most small towns didn't even have their own police force, much less a SWAT team. If the county's sheriff's department has a SWAT team, does that mean every town in the county has a SWAT team?
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  • Amos UmwhatAmos Umwhat Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,523
    Ken Light:
    Ah, there's the end-game. I've been trying to figure it out forever, now it's obvious. 13 years of warring, mostly stretched out needlessly to justify epic spending on far more firepower than should have been necessary, but why? What's the point? Drain the populous of it's money and then step in to give them back that which they've given up, creating dependence? Yes, sure, but is that enough? It seems so unsatisfying. Now it's obvious, it was to bring it all back home, of course, to effectively militarize the police into a gestapo. Meantime flood the media with fearmongers so the rabble think these arms and this extra protection is good while simultaneously giving up their arms with which they might defend themselves, "for their own safety" of course. Well played, I must say.
    Right on the money.
  • Amos UmwhatAmos Umwhat Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,523
  • Beaker38Beaker38 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 184
    The county i live in (Albany County) here in the state of New York has an MRAP that they keep at a local FD (Because there is no key to it so they have to store it inside somewhere so they can prevent some crazy guy from getting it) I have seen it many times at that station. I believe they have only used it once. Its a nice tool to have in your back pocket. here is a photo of it. image
  • jgibvjgibv Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 5,996
  • SleevePlzSleevePlz Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 5,408
    Considering the popularity of Hummers, isn't the real question, when do these become civilian commuter vehicles? "Honey, I know the H1 gets better gas mileage, but the MRAP would be safer if I get in an accident on the highway!"
  • Beaker38Beaker38 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 184
    my county has like 3-4 hummers already, they never get used and just sit around. here is a video of the mrap. http://www.news10.com/story/24659089/albany-county-sheriffs-new-armored-vehicle ------------- the whole thing with the guy standoff was he caught his house and out buildings on fire and then threatened firefighters and police saying he was going to shoot them and blocked of the road with cut down trees.
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