well said, the GOP can't stop the Dem's. there aren't enough. it's always us vs. them but in reality it's stupid people vs. stupid people and the more anyone believes that it's all black and white, republican and democrat, etc, the worse we get.
I think this is the most important point made on this thread. The Republicans spent much of their 8 years of basically uncontested power taking money from the American worker and using it to supplement shipping our jobs overseas. The Democrats want to give money to people too lazy to get up and work. I like the idea of a social safety net that helps those who were trying and got screwed by the system, but there needs to be a limit to this government "charity", or at least some conditions placed on it. My Mother lives next door to a small apartment building full of able-bodied people between the ages of 25 - 40, all of whom seem to have nothing to do other than wait for "their check" (= our $). Why couldn't these folks DO something, anything, to get this check? If they're unwilling to get out and cut the grass on the side of the highway, man the recycling stations, have their girlfriends take a Depo-Provera shot so as to avoid creating further drains on society, then they are free to decline the help. Make sense to anyone?
If they're unwilling to get out and cut the grass on the side of the highway, man the recycling stations, have their girlfriends take a Depo-Provera shot so as to avoid creating further drains on society, then they are free to decline the help. Make sense to anyone?
This is a scary idea with lots of government growth. In all reality if we stop the welfare of this country the problems would clear up themselves. I think we'd all be amazed at how the population in poverty fell. Of course there would be an uprising of the recipient class of citizens as you see in greece. I'm not sure about any of you but talking with my grand parents their families survived the depression on savings not welfare, hard to do that with the typical debt an american family has these days. I for one am tired of being taxed for other peoples failure to live up to their responsibilities. You're guaranteed the right to pursue happiness.
If they're unwilling to get out and cut the grass on the side of the highway, man the recycling stations, have their girlfriends take a Depo-Provera shot so as to avoid creating further drains on society, then they are free to decline the help. Make sense to anyone?
This is a scary idea with lots of government growth. In all reality if we stop the welfare of this country the problems would clear up themselves. I think we'd all be amazed at how the population in poverty fell. Of course there would be an uprising of the recipient class of citizens as you see in greece. I'm not sure about any of you but talking with my grand parents their families survived the depression on savings not welfare, hard to do that with the typical debt an american family has these days. I for one am tired of being taxed for other peoples failure to live up to their responsibilities. You're guaranteed the right to pursue happiness.
HMM, you may be right, I wasn't thinking of this as govt growth, just stop-gap measures, a way to get value on the money we're already spending. Welfare won't go away overnight, but maybe if people had to earn "their check" they'd be more willing pursue a more constructive path. Even maybe like Manpower, the people in need, who want help, have to work for it, could lead to jobs, would put the work ethic back into them. Time-limited, of course. I've been broke, I mean BROKE, no house, no job, 7 cents in my pocket, going from place to place looking for work, nothing to eat for 2 weeks, finally got a job and passed out after 6 hours. In college, as a single parent, living on my gi bill and 3 jobs, never took food stamps or welfare. Did collect unemployment for a few weeks once. My point is that people NEED to work, sometimes it's just not there. Still, I wouldn't want to see this notion of mine become a permanent way of life for anyone. We'll have to keep working on it, surely we can come up with something better than the jugheads in Congress.
If they're unwilling to get out and cut the grass on the side of the highway, man the recycling stations, have their girlfriends take a Depo-Provera shot so as to avoid creating further drains on society, then they are free to decline the help. Make sense to anyone?
This is a scary idea with lots of government growth. In all reality if we stop the welfare of this country the problems would clear up themselves. I think we'd all be amazed at how the population in poverty fell. Of course there would be an uprising of the recipient class of citizens as you see in greece. I'm not sure about any of you but talking with my grand parents their families survived the depression on savings not welfare, hard to do that with the typical debt an american family has these days. I for one am tired of being taxed for other peoples failure to live up to their responsibilities. You're guaranteed the right to pursue happiness.
HMM, you may be right, I wasn't thinking of this as govt growth, just stop-gap measures, a way to get value on the money we're already spending. Welfare won't go away overnight, but maybe if people had to earn "their check" they'd be more willing pursue a more constructive path. Even maybe like Manpower, the people in need, who want help, have to work for it, could lead to jobs, would put the work ethic back into them. Time-limited, of course. I've been broke, I mean BROKE, no house, no job, 7 cents in my pocket, going from place to place looking for work, nothing to eat for 2 weeks, finally got a job and passed out after 6 hours. In college, as a single parent, living on my gi bill and 3 jobs, never took food stamps or welfare. Did collect unemployment for a few weeks once. My point is that people NEED to work, sometimes it's just not there. Still, I wouldn't want to see this notion of mine become a permanent way of life for anyone. We'll have to keep working on it, surely we can come up with something better than the jugheads in Congress.
If we stopped all welfare IMO you would see america return to morality and the traditionally family would make a triumphant comeback, Work ethic would do the same. (amazing how hunger will make people appreciate an oppurtunity to eat huh?) Of course we'd be called inhuman for not propping up people so they can live outside of their means.
wwestern: you may be right, I'm just saying that given the climate it's not going to happen, so, why not get our moneys worth, which, by the way, I don't think is going to happen either, daydreaming I guess.
wwestern: you may be right, I'm just saying that given the climate it's not going to happen, so, why not get our moneys worth, which, by the way, I don't think is going to happen either, daydreaming I guess.
Gotta have hope brother... The teaparty people give me hope that america is coming out of this socialist stupper. Who know's maybe someday the kids'll say sir and ma'am again.
Squirrel, I vowed to try to stay out of alot of this stuff, and will continue to do it because I dont think its worth my energy much anymore...construstive or not. But I am proud to read your post here and couldnt find a better place to put out my 1,000th post on the forum.
The squirel really made some good points! Especially about taxing the piss out of buisness not destroying US jobs.... absolute fact... not sure where it's documented but proof is of little need right?
Oh and the fact that the goverment decides which charities to force me to donate to I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT any time I can pay for housing and electricity for someone with a lincoln navigator it makes me feel righteous. Or forcing banks to loan people money due to race weither or not they have a hope repaying that's also a great idea and could never lead to catastrophic events... and of course global warming! (if it's winter and your reading this I mean "climate change") because it's really scary that the tempature changes with the seasons, this is an attrocity that began with big buisness.... right? Some really solid and well founded ideas indeed this will in no way destroy america since it's worked out so swell for europe.... right? k I'm all riled now I need to go find my hammer and sickle so we can get this shin dig going!
I have to throw this out there. Just who do our liberal bros think pays the "Corporate Income Taxes"
Answer: Consumers purchasing goods and services from those corporations in the form of higher fees and prices!
So just how is this a great idea?
I have to throw this out there. Just who do our liberal bros think pays the "Corporate Income Taxes"
Answer: Consumers purchasing goods and services from those corporations in the form of higher fees and prices!
So just how is this a great idea?
Arguing economics with liberals is like arguing sports with women... they have no need for logic or proof.
I have to throw this out there. Just who do our liberal bros think pays the "Corporate Income Taxes"
Answer: Consumers purchasing goods and services from those corporations in the form of higher fees and prices!
So just how is this a great idea?
Arguing economics with liberals is like arguing sports with women... they have no need for logic or proof.
So was it good economics then that put the US in such a good financial position that it is in today? Those good ole non Liberal policies have done wonders, shaking my head and LMAO. Too Funny !!!
I have to throw this out there. Just who do our liberal bros think pays the "Corporate Income Taxes"
Answer: Consumers purchasing goods and services from those corporations in the form of higher fees and prices!
So just how is this a great idea?
Arguing economics with liberals is like arguing sports with women... they have no need for logic or proof.
So was it good economics then that put the US in such a good financial position that it is in today? Those good ole non Liberal policies have done wonders, shaking my head and LMAO. Too Funny !!!
Yeah cause it's obviously the republicans fault banks made these loans. Pushing banks to make loans that people can't afford because they are all about entitlements of poor people! good point.
I have to throw this out there. Just who do our liberal bros think pays the "Corporate Income Taxes"
Answer: Consumers purchasing goods and services from those corporations in the form of higher fees and prices!
So just how is this a great idea?
As I suspected, not one argument to refute my observation, only more it was the Republicans fault.
I have to throw this out there. Just who do our liberal bros think pays the "Corporate Income Taxes"
Answer: Consumers purchasing goods and services from those corporations in the form of higher fees and prices!
So just how is this a great idea?
As I suspected, not one argument to refute my observation, only more it was the Republicans fault.
i agree whit what you are saying. this, however, was not the cause of the financial crisis we are in now. i dont know if you were directing this at me at all but even if you were not i wanted to clarify.
I would venture to say the lack of a true free market has lead to this crisis. Saving idiots from themselves only leads to the thriving of bad buisnesses. The government involvement in private enterprise is just poison.
I would venture to say the lack of a true free market has lead to this crisis. Saving idiots from themselves only leads to the thriving of bad buisnesses. The government involvement in private enterprise is just poison.
If what you mean by this is that we (taxpayers) should never have had to bail out the pyramid schemers that brought their companies to ruin, I'm definetly with you. Some, however, seem to think the only rule should be Let the Buyer Beware, and that's not so good.
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