The really sad part is america used to be such a charitable place, you didn't need government handouts because you neighbors, relatives, and community helped each other out. Now that we're headed towards a total govenment run life charity has in large part died. I know my personal donation habbits have suffered because I'm unsure about life and more so my kids lives. I feel being greedy with whats mine is the best at this point so maybe I can give my children a good chunk when I go because headed down this path we're on keeping 50 cents on every dollar is a very conservative estimate. Tax and spend democrats really care about the future?
A note on the stupid people... no one's helping them out, the only thing they learn is that they can be as piss ignorant as they want because there is a safety net and that won't ever have to suffer due to a poor decision. Hard to learn anything when there are no consequences.
I'm thinking the biggest problem is still that the lines are not as clearly drawn as many would like to believe. While I may not agree with much of their agenda, personally I think that tax-and-spend is much more responsible than borrow-and-spend. The dems get the credit for being the "economic wrecking ball", and certainly deserve their share of the blame, especially when they follow the lead of wigged out wackadoos like Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, et al., but let's not forget the borrow and spend policies of the Republicans. Reagan grew the government by @ 60-65% during his tenure, and both Bushes followed that lead. If we are to continue and succeed as a culture, Laker's point must be taken seriously. There has to be a framework that allows each individual in his/her own time sufficient opportunity. This is why I disagree totally with the Libertarian Party's notion that the National Parks should all be sold off to resolve the debt. So where will your grandchildren go? Still looking for the middle way here. And that middle way has got to be based on LESS SPENDING no matter whether the ball is swinging left, or right.
If we are to continue and succeed as a culture, Laker's point must be taken seriously. There has to be a framework that allows each individual in his/her own time sufficient opportunity. This is why I disagree totally with the Libertarian Party's notion that the National Parks should all be sold off to resolve the debt. So where will your grandchildren go? Still looking for the middle way here. And that middle way has got to be based on LESS SPENDING no matter whether the ball is swinging left, or right.
I think you may miss the point of the selling of the national parks arguement. IMO it's more of a statement that every other resource must be exhausted before going into debt. It's really hard to get the opportunity to develope your individualism with the government controlling your decisions ranging from healthcare to retirement to who knows where this oppresion will end headed down this road (Obama's on TV right now talking about internet security because he wants to protect us! it has nothing to do with information flow control). I would recommend some reading for folks who think this will end in anything other than oppresion if not checked and stopped The road to Serfdom
If we are to continue and succeed as a culture, Laker's point must be taken seriously. There has to be a framework that allows each individual in his/her own time sufficient opportunity. This is why I disagree totally with the Libertarian Party's notion that the National Parks should all be sold off to resolve the debt. So where will your grandchildren go? Still looking for the middle way here. And that middle way has got to be based on LESS SPENDING no matter whether the ball is swinging left, or right.
I think you may miss the point of the selling of the national parks arguement. IMO it's more of a statement that every other resource must be exhausted before going into debt. It's really hard to get the opportunity to develope your individualism with the government controlling your decisions ranging from healthcare to retirement to who knows where this oppresion will end headed down this road (Obama's on TV right now talking about internet security because he wants to protect us! it has nothing to do with information flow control). I would recommend some reading for folks who think this will end in anything other than oppresion if not checked and stopped The road to Serfdom
Well, I would agree with the exhausting every resource before going into debt, no arguement about that. I would disagree with the necessity of exhausting every resource in the first place. Unfortunately, that ship sailed long ago. My reference was in regard to our current situation, but, if it were all hypothetical, and we weren't mortgaged for the next three generations, we should certainly have tried everything else first. Of course, we could have just opted not to spend all the money, and all our kids money, and their kids money...didn't happen. Drat!
Sorry laker I just felt like me saying stupid people was taken out of context... we all do stupid crap once in a while that was what I was refering to.
A note on the stupid people... no one's helping them out, the only thing they learn is that they can be as piss ignorant as they want because there is a safety net and that won't ever have to suffer due to a poor decision. Hard to learn anything when there are no consequences.
Western...lord knows I can call names with the best of em...and I see Laker already talked about this post---but I couldnt believe it really......My question, and maybe its just rhetorical is ...who are the stupid people? who are the smart people to make this judgement? is intelligence then based solely on financial success and if so, what if the money is just inherited?do you think this people in the "safety net" are having a great life with their couple hundred bucks a month and food stamps? do you really think if given the opportunity to do better they would choose ignorance and poverty? do you really think they are by-in-large educated enough to realize the complexity of these types of questions?----probably not....because they have been deemed the stupid and ignorant, by who I dont know.
Yeah me and laker already discussed this as you read so.... anyhow, what makes someone stupid is the mismanagement of what they're given, I'm supposed to feel sympathy for someone who makes good money then gets laid off and has not saved anything for such an event? When did americans stopping being self sufficient? (not rhetorical, I indeed want to know) I have a G.E.D and I make pretty good money so I don't want to hear whining about how not everyone can afford a college education. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and take responsibility for your own actions or lack there of. (such as not saving, because surely nothing will ever change and no way I could be without income!) How you huge government people don't understand how this is oppression baffles me. We're being devided and villified (sp?) on BOTH sides lets be honest there's racist on both sides so lets stop playing that game and there's socialist on ..... well never mind that (that was a joke don't get your donkey imprinted panties in a wad) but really I belive we're being devided so strongly for a reason.... Ever heard the saying devide and conquer? All I'm saying is everybody should start taking a little more time to really research who you support and if you're going to support someone who is big government research what big government leads to and the consequences for future generations. Another non rhetorical question for you vulch how come the same constitution that made this country great is no longer needed?
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