I think the comparison to the rise of Hitler is an apt one. Look at Iraq after the liberation, pulling down Sadam's statue, etc., surely these people were dissenters prior to our invasion, but they sure were quiet about it. The scariest thing today is the ability of an oppressor to monitor dissent, which is why we need to restore our own country's freedom to dissent, before it's too late.
Well it appears that the Imam pushing the new Mosque (BTW, there is one just 12 blocks away already) plans to teach and promote Sharia Law in the new "cultural center". Why we are being so PC and tolerant they are planning the enslavement of an entire gender. This type of behavior (building mosques on important religious and cultural sites of others) is a favorite tactic of Islam around the world to demonstrate the dominance/superiority of their religion.
I'm more Muslim than you, so I'll kill you. And Mr. Infidel, I'll kill you if you draw Muhammad or refuse to stock halal food products in your grocery store because you have to follow our religion's rules whether you believe in Allah or not
got to add this in. here in nevada we want to get harry reed outta office. and for once harry showed he had a set and total disagreed with his leader Obama. still doesnt make me like Harry reed but for once he had the right idea.
WOW this is some Heavy Discussion... WOuldnt touch it with a TEN FOOT POLE!
Smart man....smart man indeed. Forums like this aren't the place for getting into sh*t like this...if you have an issue with it, write a letter or call your congressman. It'll do a lot more good. That goes for both sides. If you feel passionately about this stuff, pour that passion into an outlet that will actually do something. It just turns into mud flinging too quick on here and pissing each other off is way too easy. I just want to smoke a cigar now lol
I don't want to get too heavily involved in this, but I guess I'd need to say this. The Quaran (I hope I'm spelling that right) calls for the destruction of outsiders in the same way that the bible does as well (I can't remember the line, but I know it's in a book that start's with D.) For a long time, Christianity instigated crusades and stuff that were just as if not more brutal then the current "holy war" or whatever you want to call it that a certain set of Muslim people are waging on us. Those people have not yet taken the step of examining this text and, like Christianity before it, casting it off as something probably added by a very unholy man sometime between it's inception and now. I mean, not all muslims hate America. That's an absurd thing to say. And you can't say that they are the only one's that demand special privileges. Everybody want's a bigger piece of the pie, everyone will grab at what they can. That's human nature, man, not the Muslim community reaching out and taking advantage of us, not more so then any other group anyhow. And as far as comparing the Mosque to a Nazi memorial, that's a pretty bad comparison. The Nazi movement was something that was joined; there were not the good Nazi's who believed Jews were good. Those who killed the Jews during the holocaust were not some small rogue segment that was acting on their own and using the rest of the Nazi's as a cover; it was a killing machine. Terrorists are part of a small subset. Insofar as the building itself, I could care less. In a few weeks, Madonna will have another baby or Tila Tequila will kill a man just to watch him die and that's all we'll care about. Buildings, no matter how mighty or significant, will crumble eventually. Why waste the time and energy?
This is useless, in a few years it will be just like it is in France where every thing you do has to be subjected to how "The Muslims" will feel about it. Your blood be on your own hands, I am done with it. " Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness" Isaiah son of Amoz
Wwestern, I think you're on to something here, especially as regards the "savages" remark. Not to sound smug or superior, but my own mistake, and that I see reflected here in the ideas of many, is that we cling to our philosophical viewpoint, our heritage of freedom, in a way that may never be understood by those Muslims who hate us. This is especially relevant regarding Afghanistan, where only small segments of the population are any more culturally or intellectually advanced than they were at the time of Genghis Khan. Whenever, IF ever, we leave their country, no matter what ensues between now and then, they will raise their hands in praise of Allah and declare themselves victorious, because they are still there and we're not. Then the question becomes: "How do we maintain our own freedoms while containing the threat, without sacrificing our own freedoms for all time in the process?" I think this is what's rightfully frustrating Fla-Gypsy, because we're dam sure not interested in giving them the keys to the kingdom, so to speak. (I tried to clip the quote, but all I can get is "non-matching quote" message in red)
Western---You do realzie that between your sarcastic and uncalled for retorts, you youurself said what the constitution allows. It does not respect a national religion, but allows freedom of religion and for people to assemble for that said reason. You stated they were violent as a whole, this is your opinion not a fact and therefore not breaking the law. So by your logic, would it not be anti-american not to allow this mosque??? I am not saying I am for it or against it, but please lets not even talk about "these mongrels" and what they have done by bending the rules of this country after the YEARS AND YEARS of benfit economically to christian religions, schools, projects, and even tax free status of "christian" theme parks. To be respected and your opinion valued you have to be consistent across the board.
Western---You do realzie that between your sarcastic and uncalled for retorts, you youurself said what the constitution allows. It does not respect a national religion, but allows freedom of religion and for people to assemble for that said reason. You stated they were violent as a whole, this is your opinion not a fact and therefore not breaking the law. So by your logic, would it not be anti-american not to allow this mosque??? I am not saying I am for it or against it, but please lets not even talk about "these mongrels" and what they have done by bending the rules of this country after the YEARS AND YEARS of benfit economically to christian religions, schools, projects, and even tax free status of "christian" theme parks. To be respected and your opinion valued you have to be consistent across the board.
All I'll say is you should go to a mosque and conversate with it's inhabitants maybe take a few of your gay friends or maybe really feminist lady friends and talk about how great america is and all the freedoms we have here... afterall it's a peaceful tolerent culture.
I don’t listen to talk radio much, but I was driving last night and ended flipping back and forth between the “left” and “right” stations. What a sad state of affairs, I felt like I had been transported back in time. If peace were practiced as something individual and separate from religion and or politics, the world would be a different sort of place.
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