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  • pelirrojopelirrojo Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 1,520
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  • Amos UmwhatAmos Umwhat Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,523
    Good to see you back Gordon, I'll never know why some folks will never see eye to eye, it used to be me and Xmacro, now it's you and JD. C'mon guys, E Pluribus Unum, let's get it together. All I've got, right now.
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  • Amos UmwhatAmos Umwhat Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,523
    This has certainly been bizarre. A policeman in the performance of his job is forced by a thug to defend himself and the media gives credence to a fairy tale version of events 24/7, as if gunning down black children was some kind of national pastime. There is money and power to be had for certain entities (a la Al Sharpton), in perpetuating discord and racism. A huge learning opportunity has been discarded. This story has gotten more coverage than the JFK assassination. What a shame.
  • jd50aejd50ae Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,109
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  • RainRain Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 8,761
    Bob Luken:
    Here's a FOX NEWS article (I posted the whole article! Ha!) with no commentary on my part. That's right,...... I've added nothing to the conversation. Not even page breaks. Ignore it if you want to. Discuss if you want. Pitch a fit if you want. You can even try and tell me how I should or should not be posting to the NCR thread if you think I'll give a crap. Knock yourself out. - Whistleblower alleges agency cover-up over $300M ‘boondoggle’ to protect Obama nominee. Senior officials at the Social Security Administration (SSA) tried to hide a damning report on a $300 million computer system that lawmakers have called a “boondoggle” in order to protect President Obama’s nominee to lead the agency, a whistleblower claimed in an interview with FoxNews.com. Whistleblower Michael Keegan told FoxNews.com that McKinsey & Company, a consulting firm, issued a draft report in December 2013 saying the agency had spent $288 million over six years for a new computer system processing disability claims that has yet to launch. But Keegan said he was present at a meeting of senior officials in May of this year where they decided to sit on the report as long as Carolyn Colvin’s nomination for commissioner was pending. “They hid the report,” he told FoxNews.com. Keegan said it was discussed at that May meeting that Colvin, the acting commissioner, had been briefed on the findings. He added: “There is absolutely no way that [Colvin] could be in the dark” on the effort to hide it. Keegan spoke with FoxNews.com after Republican senators threatened earlier this week to block Colvin’s nomination until a probe of the computer project is done. Keegan, who worked as associate commissioner for facilities and left the agency earlier this year, explained that he brought his concerns to Congress over the summer. The McKinsey report itself, a final version of which was released in June, said the project, which remains in the testing phase and predated Colvin’s time at the helm, was beset by delays -- and agency leaders had decided to “reset.” The study found that while the plan is “conceptually sound,” execution “has fallen short.” For the past five years, the report said, the release date “consistently” was projected 24-32 months out. The report, together with Keegan’s allegations and the concerns of lawmakers, point to trouble ahead for Colvin’s nomination. Obama nominated Colvin, who has served as acting head since early 2013, in June of this year to be commissioner. Several top-ranking lawmakers have been beating the drum about the $300 million computer system since the summer, including about the possibility of a cover-up. House oversight committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and other lawmakers wrote in July that whistleblowers had told them “senior agency staff placed a very close hold” on the report to make sure details were kept “secret” until after Colvin’s confirmation. They called these claims “deeply disturbing.” Further, they wrote that the agency effectively “wasted” $300 million on the “IT boondoggle.” Around the same time, Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas, who leads the House Social Security subcommittee, wrote to Colvin questioning whether the agency had “something to hide.” He called the “wasted” taxpayer dollars a “disgrace.” Lawmakers’ concerns culminated earlier this week when all Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee wrote to Colvin complaining about the “disturbing” allegations over “mismanagement and waste.” They cited an “interim” report by the agency’s inspector general “that raised, but did not resolve” issues with officials’ conduct, and an ongoing “criminal investigation.” They wrote: “Moreover, we have received information from whistleblowers that the ongoing investigation has centered around the activities of certain members of your immediate office, including several high-level agency officials. We cannot in good faith allow a nomination for any position that requires the advice and consent of the Senate to proceed to a vote as long as the specter of a potential criminal investigation surrounds the nominee and/or those in their inner circle.” The lawmakers urged Colvin to address her role regarding this inquiry before they can vote on the nomination before the full Senate. A Social Security spokeswoman told the Associated Press, in response to the senators’ letter, that Colvin “is not personally the subject of any criminal investigation." Spokeswoman LaVenia LaVelle said agency officials previously briefed lawmakers on this matter and "the acting commissioner will respond timely and fully to the members' requests, and continue to cooperate with Congress and any related investigation." Colvin also told the AP that she's "always met the highest ethical standards." Asked Friday about Keegan’s specific claims, LaVelle told FoxNews.com the agency “cannot comment on an open investigation.” She referred FoxNews.com to the inspector general’s office, which also could not comment and said the case is now being handled by its counterpart in the Small Business Administration. An aide in that office would not discuss the probe, but confirmed they were reviewing an "allegation of wrongdoing involving SSA personnel." The finance committee advanced Colvin’s nomination earlier this year, but it still hasn’t passed the full Senate. The problems could mean her nomination is pushed off to the new Congress next year, when Republicans have full control. Morris Fischer, an attorney representing Keegan, called the computer project a “debacle.” Keegan left the agency over the summer, after he says he was retaliated against for earlier complaints. He said he first brought his concerns to Congress after watching Colvin claim during a House subcommittee hearing in February that the agency’s IT projects were on track and under budget. “I knew that that was totally false,” Keegan said.
  • Amos UmwhatAmos Umwhat Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,523
  • RainRain Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 8,761
    Don't know the whole story so can't comment specifically. Cops tell you you're under arrest, ON THE SPOT is not the place to fight it...save it for the courtroom.
  • Amos UmwhatAmos Umwhat Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,523
    Rain:
    Don't know the whole story so can't comment specifically. Cops tell you you're under arrest, ON THE SPOT is not the place to fight it...save it for the courtroom.
    Absolutely true, but I still expect the police to have a sense of proportion. It would be nice if everyone did, and then we wouldn't need police, but that's not going to happen.
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  • jd50aejd50ae Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,109
    The daughter of the man who died, Eric Garner, has said it was not racially motivated.
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  • Amos UmwhatAmos Umwhat Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,523
  • jd50aejd50ae Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,109
    Lots face it, she wants power and "she" will stoop to any antic to get it. I would not trust "her" with a dime and "she" wants the mint. If the "liberals" promote "her" as a candidate they will lose, big time. In my heart I think a lot about the clintonistas is being held back until closer to the election and "she" is going to be burnt big time (at least I hope so). I hope "she" gets it so bad that we never hear about their ilk again.
  • jlmartajlmarta Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 3,440
    I remember when ol' Slick Willie was elected the first time, someone asked me what I thought about the outcome of the election and I said, Well, I don't like our new president worth a damn and I'm not real happy with her husband, either.... ??
  • jd50aejd50ae Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,109
  • Bob LukenBob Luken Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 3,664
    jlmarta:
    I remember when ol' Slick Willie was elected the first time, someone asked me what I thought about the outcome of the election and I said, Well, I don't like our new president worth a damn and I'm not real happy with her husband, either.... ??
    LOL
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  • dr_frankenstein56dr_frankenstein56 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 1,519
  • jd50aejd50ae Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,109
    Why isn't there a Men Only shopping day? Nationwide, maybe a holiday.
  • First WarriorFirst Warrior Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 707
    Because we don't wander around aimlessly shopping. We know what we want when we go into a store, we get it and we leave. At least I do.
  • FireRobFireRob Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 1,884
    jd50ae:
    Why isn't there a Men Only shopping day? Nationwide, maybe a holiday.
    I thought that was Christmas Eve? Some how I got all my shopping done before this (cause I had to work this day) but usually when I am out shopping on Christmas Eve it seems to usually be men
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