I love this thread as it captures the unending growth and evolution of the forums as it morphs itself into a place where even politics can be discussed in a rational manor without conflict, not so even a year ago. Congratulations gentlemen and gentlewomen, we have all grown up. Myself included.
...I'm just throwing this out there ... I was thinking for a while now, with all these countries that are getting big heads on themselves (china, russia, syria, iran, north korea) how long does one think that they are going to stay cool? Hell the United States hasn't exactly been very good on the International front and our policies have been shredded. So we have all of these powers and sooner or later something has to break as it seems like there are too many big boys and not enough little ones at the park. If that makes sense.
I'm reminded of the news reports during the Iraq war that many had postulated that Sadam's chemical weapons had been moved into Syria. It seems ironic that we may be dealing with those same chemicals here.
I had forgotten about that, but now that you bring it up, one of the doc's that I used to work with in ER had worked a few years in England. While he was there, a German businessman that he met claimed that private industrial sources had tracked the movement from Iraq to Syria from sites that were known storehouses of exactly those weapons. Intelligence agencies did not comment.
dude, we never won the Iraq conflict. Sure we destroyed their army but hell, that's not all winning means. The country is worse now than it was when we left. There are many areas that need to be achieved for a win to count. Sure if we were conquerors then I'd say we won but we didn't do that, we left a cluster. Same can be said of the Afghanistan conflict, we didn't win squat. When was the last war we won? What WW2? All the others have been nothing more than *** fights. At this point I don't think it matters on who you have in office. If you have someone who doesn't want wars (obama), then they are going to be pushed into it, and if you have someone who wants them (cheney, bush) then well there ya go. There is just too much money and power that goes way above the POTUS. Not sure there is anything we can do to fix this. Seems as though whoever can get the money gets the power and sadly the one's with money don't want to lose it so they aren't going to let someone who is really about change get in.
Web, when the media is partisan and lying....when you believe what you do and are unwilling to entertain other ideas....when your hate and vitriol toward the current Pres. is the starting point for all other topics.....when your version of "winning" is contrary to what I think most others would agree is a "win"-----what is there for me to debate? I will leave you to your beliefs good sir and I will leave myself to disagreeing.
I just don't know why Obama is out there still trying to get countries to bomb syria. Until the un report is done what's the point? He's making the US look like a bunch of morons. He should have said from the get go, that if the evidence shows syria was behind it then we go forward, but he should have never got on the bomb bandwagon until clear evidence is shown.
I just don't know why Obama is out there still trying to get countries to bomb syria. Until the un report is done what's the point? He's making the US look like a bunch of morons. He should have said from the get go, that if the evidence shows syria was behind it then we go forward, but he should have never got on the bomb bandwagon until clear evidence is shown.
+1.....but not even sure we should do anything then.
I just don't know why Obama is out there still trying to get countries to bomb syria. Until the un report is done what's the point? He's making the US look like a bunch of morons. He should have said from the get go, that if the evidence shows syria was behind it then we go forward, but he should have never got on the bomb bandwagon until clear evidence is shown.
+1.....but not even sure we should do anything then.
I would agree. Desert Storm worked because Bush I, Powell and Schwartzkopf had clear objectives AND the support, or at least agreement of non-interference, from most of the neighboring nations. Iraq is unstable, Egypt is in chaos, Jordan...not sure what's going on there, Iran is a question mark, Turkey silent...why should we go where their neighbors won't? How does it advance our national interests? If the Syrians' fellow Arabs and Muslims will not protect their own, how can we? I simply do not find "international credibility" a valid reason for creating more enemies or more killing on our part. As someone else earlier asked, is it better for people to die from our weapons than theirs? I know it's not something we're good at, but we as a nation need to take a breather and ask ourselves what role we really SHOULD have in global politics.
Looks like Obama, France, and UK will be working with the UN to get this resolved without attacking and perhaps with Russia's help. Seems to be a working idea that syria will give international control over its chemical weapons and eventually disarm them. I think this is good, as any more military action is stupid. Luckily Obama is willing to work with them. Maybe it was his agenda all along, I dunno but clearly the prospect for a attack in that area is something no one really wanted. Let's hope this gets worked out. Still though, and I find this freaking pathetic, nothing is being done to stop the massacre's that have been going on over there.
Looks like Obama, France, and UK will be working with the UN to get this resolved without attacking and perhaps with Russia's help. Seems to be a working idea that syria will give international control over its chemical weapons and eventually disarm them. I think this is good, as any more military action is stupid. Luckily Obama is willing to work with them. Maybe it was his agenda all along, I dunno but clearly the prospect for a attack in that area is something no one really wanted. Let's hope this gets worked out. Still though, and I find this freaking pathetic, nothing is being done to stop the massacre's that have been going on over there.
I think we just got lucky, don't think Obama had much to do with it.
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