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  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,132
    kuzi16:
    PuroFreak:
    I think it's about time Obama and Cheney step into the ring and throw down! lol These two keep going at it and it's turning into a WWE Summer Slam type event build up.
    even if this was for pure comedic value, i would pay to see that.

    seriously, i would.
    Oh hell yea! I would too! That would be some funny sh*t!!! lol
  • gmill880gmill880 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 5,947
    PuroFreak:
    gmill880:
    Next it will be the "Adopt A Illegal Alien" law. Where all tax payers must adopt one illegal alien ,house, feed, cloth,provide medical care and entertain said alien for one year. You of course will be required to learn said aliens language, prepare food satisfactory to said aliens homeland diet, learn aliens culture so you can communicate with and keep alien from becoming despondent and be sensitive to the aliens religous needs. This way the government can shift this cost to us directly instead of thru taxation and use our taxes for bigger problems like that bed bug thingy ...
    Yea, but after you fix the food from their homeland, the government will then step in and tax you on the fat and sugar content of it.

    Unfortunatly your probably right Puro
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471


    Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag ....When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said.



    my thought: you dont have a right to not be offended.

    and

    at least it wasnt a confederate flag.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471


    Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look
    From the article:
    A VAT is a tax on the transfer of goods and services that ultimately is borne by the consumer. Highly visible, it would increase the cost of just about everything, from a carton of eggs to a visit with a lawyer. It is also hugely regressive, falling heavily on the poor...A gallon of milk would jump from $3.69 to $4.61, and a $5,000 bathroom renovation would suddenly cost $6,250...
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,132
    If the taxes and mandatory government menues aren't enough, just wait... I can assure everyone that the appointment of Judge Sotomayor will open up many more avenues for the current administration to strip our freedoms away slowly. Sonia Sotomayor has a very warpped and twisted view of the judicial branch of our government, in that she believes the appeals courts are where policies are made. She said it, it came out of her own mouth, and she meant it from the bottom of her heart. She even KNOWS that it was wrong to admit publicly, because she said afterwards that she shouldn't have said it on camera, but she never once said that the statement wasn't true.

    I have several complaints about this pick for the top court. One of which is the media falling all over her because she grew up in the projects... Granted that is very inspiring that she made so much out of her life and has been so successful, but WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH BEING QUALIFIED FOR THE SUPREME FREAKING COURT??? Even President Obama spoke of this as a reason she was the right person for the job.

    Next I am going to make a predication based on her record and past statements that she will wage an all out war on gun owners in our country before it is all said and done. She has repeatedly made statements that cities and states have the right to over-rule the Bill of Rights and to ban the ownership of firearms if they see fit. This I believe will be the basis for an attack on guns in our country and unless there is a MAJOR ressistance, this could forever damage our rights to protect ourselves and our families.

    I might be wrong, and she may not do that things I fear she will, but I do not believe she is the strongest candidate for this job even if you are looking at it from a liberals point of view. Judge Sotomayor is a weak and dangerous cadidate for our country, but her appointment is not very suprising to me coming from a weak and dangerous President.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
    ive had the same fears about her as well. the gun ownership thing mostly




    ...and that around 80% of her decisions have been overturned by the supreme court. many cases they said because she had no fundamental understanding of the law.
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,132
    kuzi16:
    ive had the same fears about her as well. the gun ownership thing mostly




    ...and that around 80% of her decisions have been overturned by the supreme court. many cases they said because she had no fundamental understanding of the law.
    Yea, I read that too and that scared me the most because I don't think the problem is that she doesn't understand the laws, she just likes to legislate from the bench through her own nterpretation of the laws.
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,132
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/27/new-book-offers-survival-guide-conservatives-blue-states/?test=latestnews

    I read this and it made so much sense to me. Kinda made me think of some of the theories of why a couple people have vanished from our friendly and all-inclusive community here at Ccom...
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
    best quote of that article:
    "As a person on the left I never ran into people on the right. It was really a revelation, it was an eye-opener when I actually started getting to know conservatives, that they weren't monsters."

    so few people understand this. many liberals are doing what they do "for the good of the people"
    what so many forget is that what is "good for the people" is often bad for the individual. when large groups of individuals are being held down in one way or another, society is not free. a society that is not free is not good for the people.


    personal responsibility is good for the people. Keeping what you earn is good for the people. Freedom to choose what you do with your own property is good for the people. Freedom to practice your religion is good for the people. freedom to fail at any venture in you life in good for the people. freedom to learn from your mistakes is good for the people.


    another thing that stood out in the article: (speaking of conservative values) "People out there understand that those positions are really dangerous -- they jeopardize your livelihood."

    how did we get to the point where people are shunned and are in physical danger because they have a different idea on how to make the country great? i dont understand a person who makes a statement like: "i dont want to be friends with a republican"
    replace "republican" with "black" or "jew" or "gay" and tell me what the difference is.
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,132
    kuzi16:
    I saw this too and haven't mentioned it yet because it seems like it would be way too obvious, but as arrogant as our current administration is it really wouldn't suprise me.
  • LukoLuko Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,004
    kuzi16:
    Hard to pull too much truth from that...it's not a news article, it's an editorial from the editorial page of the Washington Examiner. He sprinkles some facts in there, but nothing that I would say points authoritatively to a conspiracy. The "Auto Prophet" mentioned in the article does a good job of explaining what we're seeing, I think.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
    Luko:
    kuzi16:
    Hard to pull too much truth from that...it's not a news article, it's an editorial from the editorial page of the Washington Examiner. He sprinkles some facts in there, but nothing that I would say points authoritatively to a conspiracy. The "Auto Prophet" mentioned in the article does a good job of explaining what we're seeing, I think.
    this article has a few more facts. it looks bad but i would like to see a bit more solid evidence before any actual accusations take place.

    like i said:
    i hope this isnt true.

  • betasynnbetasynn Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 1,249
    It's interesting, I guess. I mean, if you look at the total number of dealerships against the total number that contributed to republics (and this is an assumption) I'm guessing that it's approximately comparable, percentage-wise. Regardless of your opinion on Obama, he's a smart guy who knows how to work a crowd. I'd like to think that if he were going to close targeted dealerships down, he'd do it in a much more clever way. Bad PR is something that he could easily avoid by doing this through shadow tax agencies.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471



    being able to work a crowd and being able to be The President of The United States of America are very different things.

    i try not to buy into hype.


  • betasynnbetasynn Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 1,249
    The hype kind of proves the point, though. There is incredible hype surrounding him because he created it. He's incredibly charismatic.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
    betasynn:
    The hype kind of proves the point, though. There is incredible hype surrounding him because he created it. He's incredibly charismatic.
    and that means exactly nothing when it comes to the success of running a country. it just means that people will get excited about what he says regardless of if it is a good plan or a poor one.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
    in fact, that could be downright dangerous

    makes me think of this quote:
    Thomas Sowell:
    One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent


    Thomas Sowell
  • betasynnbetasynn Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 1,249
    I agree, what I'm saying is, he has the ability to cover this up or do it in a much more indirect manner. He's very PR-minded, for good or for bad, I feel like if he wanted to do this intentionally, he would have found another way.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
    i kind of disagree, but i dont at the same time

    i dont want to get to far into it because we dont have all the facts about this particular situation yet.
  • betasynnbetasynn Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 1,249
    Agreed. the phenomenon I'm talking about is usually chalked up to a transitional leader taking power. It carries with it the possibility of the concept called group-think, which is psychologically defined as people in a social group following similar patterns at the risk of ostracism if the patterns are not followed. Group-think is incredibly dangerous, because it usually creates a situation where the leader's actions are not questioned or really paid attention to. It will take another transitional leader or a royal screw-up to break the trend.
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,132
    betasynn:
    Agreed. the phenomenon I'm talking about is usually chalked up to a transitional leader taking power. It carries with it the possibility of the concept called group-think, which is psychologically defined as people in a social group following similar patterns at the risk of ostracism if the patterns are not followed. Group-think is incredibly dangerous, because it usually creates a situation where the leader's actions are not questioned or really paid attention to. It will take another transitional leader or a royal screw-up to break the trend.
    True, but if this was really group think, President Obama wouldn't have the lowest approval rating of any president in the last 25-30 years at this point in their presidency.
  • betasynnbetasynn Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 1,249
    Yeah, but I don't think it's terribly fair to judge him just yet. I liked him, though I didn't vote for him. I still want to see what he'll do a year or so down the line. Although, I didn't address this, you do make an excellent point about approval ratings.
  • jihiggsjihiggs Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 468
    a government that owns 72.5% of an automaker, sounds a hell of a lot like socialism to me doesnt it? how long until all car sales are gone, taxes go through the roof and every is issued a 10 hp car, and existing cars are confiscated?
  • LukoLuko Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 2,004
    kuzi16:
    betasynn:
    The hype kind of proves the point, though. There is incredible hype surrounding him because he created it. He's incredibly charismatic.
    and that means exactly nothing when it comes to the success of running a country. it just means that people will get excited about what he says regardless of if it is a good plan or a poor one.
    The conundrum here - a really this issue is a microcosom of this entire thread throughout it's history - is that you and I (and lots of other people on this thread) are going to have very different ideas about what it means to be "successful" in running a country.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
    jihiggs:
    a government that owns 72.5% of an automaker, sounds a hell of a lot like socialism to me doesnt it? how long until all car sales are gone, taxes go through the roof and every is issued a 10 hp car, and existing cars are confiscated?
    guns will be first.

    all i have to say about that is
    " out of my cold dead hands.... "
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,132
    Luko:
    kuzi16:
    betasynn:
    The hype kind of proves the point, though. There is incredible hype surrounding him because he created it. He's incredibly charismatic.
    and that means exactly nothing when it comes to the success of running a country. it just means that people will get excited about what he says regardless of if it is a good plan or a poor one.
    The conundrum here - a really this issue is a microcosom of this entire thread throughout it's history - is that you and I (and lots of other people on this thread) are going to have very different ideas about what it means to be "successful" in running a country.
    Yea, but if you want to see what happens when liberalism "successfully" runs an entire government, just look at the state of the economy in California. It's like a glimpse into our nations future.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 14,471
    PuroFreak:
    Luko:
    kuzi16:
    betasynn:
    The hype kind of proves the point, though. There is incredible hype surrounding him because he created it. He's incredibly charismatic.
    and that means exactly nothing when it comes to the success of running a country. it just means that people will get excited about what he says regardless of if it is a good plan or a poor one.
    The conundrum here - a really this issue is a microcosom of this entire thread throughout it's history - is that you and I (and lots of other people on this thread) are going to have very different ideas about what it means to be "successful" in running a country.
    Yea, but if you want to see what happens when liberalism "successfully" runs an entire government, just look at the state of the economy in California. It's like a glimpse into our nations future.
    dont forget detroit.
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Everyone, Registered Users Posts: 4,132
    kuzi16:
    PuroFreak:
    Luko:
    kuzi16:
    betasynn:
    The hype kind of proves the point, though. There is incredible hype surrounding him because he created it. He's incredibly charismatic.
    and that means exactly nothing when it comes to the success of running a country. it just means that people will get excited about what he says regardless of if it is a good plan or a poor one.
    The conundrum here - a really this issue is a microcosom of this entire thread throughout it's history - is that you and I (and lots of other people on this thread) are going to have very different ideas about what it means to be "successful" in running a country.
    Yea, but if you want to see what happens when liberalism "successfully" runs an entire government, just look at the state of the economy in California. It's like a glimpse into our nations future.
    dont forget detroit.
    Exactly! If liberalism worked, California would be the richest and most prosperous state in the country. But instead, they are in the crapper and Texas, one of the most conservative states, has a strong healthy economy and one of the lowest poverty rates and one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. Hmmm... How did that happen if socialism is so freakin great??
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