Funny...I was teaching kindergarten today and a parent was concerned over the inability to lock the doors during class time to prevent someone from coming in. I asked her if she would have a problem if I concealed carry in the class. Her response, after the Connecticut shooting hell yeah. She then told me she was not a gun owner, single mom whom had questions, and felt the safety of her child was In jeopardy with the status quo. I for one, would love to carry at school and my guess is these problems would begone in no time and move to other gun free zones... Hell even a few armed security guards would be nice and prevent this crap.
I have absolutely no problem with some members of the teaching staff in our schools to be carrying concealed as long as they are regularly trained, possibly by their local police department in proper gun safety. I see that as a common sense precaution, given the random gun violence we are facing with growing regularity.
i honestly cannot fathom what those people went through, as I work in schools, as do several family members. Granted, I don't want every moron with a pistol, but they already require special training for security guards on some of the tougher campuses and I think it would provide a significant deterrent. I was surprised with the mother I talked to today, you could see the fear in her eyes and that really pissed me off. Parents should not have to live in fear.
If the school staff is to be armed concealed, then I believe they should be required to train with local police departments regularly, perhaps even weekly, because, every gun owner knows how valuable regular practice is.
So what happens when/if one of those school staff members snaps and uses his gun on other staffers or kids? It can happen. Cops kill other cops, soldiers kill other soldiers.
It could, which is why it should be limited IMO. However, if multiple staffers have them, again, less likely to happen. How often do you hear about cops shooting other cops at the police department where everyone is armed?
Funny...I was teaching kindergarten today and a parent was concerned over the inability to lock the doors during class time to prevent someone from coming in. I asked her if she would have a problem if I concealed carry in the class. Her response, after the Connecticut shooting hell yeah. She then told me she was not a gun owner, single mom whom had questions, and felt the safety of her child was In jeopardy with the status quo. I for one, would love to carry at school and my guess is these problems would begone in no time and move to other gun free zones... Hell even a few armed security guards would be nice and prevent this crap.
I have absolutely no problem with some members of the teaching staff in our schools to be carrying concealed as long as they are regularly trained, possibly by their local police department in proper gun safety. I see that as a common sense precaution, given the random gun violence we are facing with growing regularity.
i honestly cannot fathom what those people went through, as I work in schools, as do several family members. Granted, I don't want every moron with a pistol, but they already require special training for security guards on some of the tougher campuses and I think it would provide a significant deterrent. I was surprised with the mother I talked to today, you could see the fear in her eyes and that really pissed me off. Parents should not have to live in fear.
If the school staff is to be armed concealed, then I believe they should be required to train with local police departments regularly, perhaps even weekly, because, every gun owner knows how valuable regular practice is.
So what happens when/if one of those school staff members snaps and uses his gun on other staffers or kids? It can happen. Cops kill other cops, soldiers kill other soldiers.
I don't see a rash of killings by mentally disturbed police officers. That aint the problem. Most police departments are made up of highly trained, highly reliable professionals, there's no reason some of the teaching staff in our schools can't be similarly trained.
Funny...I was teaching kindergarten today and a parent was concerned over the inability to lock the doors during class time to prevent someone from coming in. I asked her if she would have a problem if I concealed carry in the class. Her response, after the Connecticut shooting hell yeah. She then told me she was not a gun owner, single mom whom had questions, and felt the safety of her child was In jeopardy with the status quo. I for one, would love to carry at school and my guess is these problems would begone in no time and move to other gun free zones... Hell even a few armed security guards would be nice and prevent this crap.
I have absolutely no problem with some members of the teaching staff in our schools to be carrying concealed as long as they are regularly trained, possibly by their local police department in proper gun safety. I see that as a common sense precaution, given the random gun violence we are facing with growing regularity.
i honestly cannot fathom what those people went through, as I work in schools, as do several family members. Granted, I don't want every moron with a pistol, but they already require special training for security guards on some of the tougher campuses and I think it would provide a significant deterrent. I was surprised with the mother I talked to today, you could see the fear in her eyes and that really pissed me off. Parents should not have to live in fear.
If the school staff is to be armed concealed, then I believe they should be required to train with local police departments regularly, perhaps even weekly, because, every gun owner knows how valuable regular practice is.
So what happens when/if one of those school staff members snaps and uses his gun on other staffers or kids? It can happen. Cops kill other cops, soldiers kill other soldiers.
It could, which is why it should be limited IMO. However, if multiple staffers have them, again, less likely to happen. How often do you hear about cops shooting other cops at the police department where everyone is armed?
Not often at all, but it does happen. My main point on this is, the very first time a staffer shoots another, people will say none of them should have had guns in the first place. We always want to blame someone when something happens....however, sometimes, we need to say "Look, we made the best decision we could at the time. We feel that arming teachers makes kids safer. And just because this guy shot the other guy, the kids are STILL more safe."
I'm conflicted. Do I think people need an MI Abrams or MRAPs? No. However, this nation was founded in blood. Joe Schmoe went home, grabbed his rifle and went off to overthrow the government, where PV2 Snuffy also had a rifle. Take your pistol today to the White House and let me know how it works out.Also, let's be honest. The Military uses pistols. Are pistols military grade? No. How is an AR any worse then a hunting rifle? The only real differance betweem a rifle and a pistil is that a rifle is made to be more accurate.
Why does the general population need a bushmaster, or any other military grade weapon with the ability to fire multiple rounds out of extended clips?
As a gun owner, I agree. Honestly, pistols, long rifles, and shotguns are fine for me. I don't need an AR15 to defend my home, but I also believe that if we outlawed them across the board, these douchebags would use shotguns and handguns really. Sure it might decrease the amount of possible damage they could do, but these sensationalists are looking for social affirmation of their pain IMO.
Or they would still have them, because theystole them....because they are criminals.
As my posted article points out - these guns aren't being stolen now, they are being purchased legally and used by people with mental problems. That has got to stop.
Indeed, but you can't prove that they WON'T be stolen. All you can prove is that a law abiding citizen who would have used that weapon to defend himself does not have it.So if we could screen people for mental illness before they buy a gun....is that an answer?
You still haven't answered my question. As for better mental health screening - absolutely, that should be part of the process of buying a gun. We have to do things differently. We have to change the way we are enjoying our 2nd Amendment rights.
I'm conflicted. Do I think people need an MI Abrams or MRAPs? No. However, this nation was founded in blood. Joe Schmoe went home, grabbed his rifle and went off to overthrow the government, where PV2 Snuffy also had a rifle. Take your pistol today to the White House and let me know how it works out.Also, let's be honest. The Military uses pistols. Are pistols military grade? No. How is an AR any worse then a hunting rifle? The only real differance betweem a rifle and a pistil is that a rifle is made to be more accurate.
Why does the general population need a bushmaster, or any other military grade weapon with the ability to fire multiple rounds out of extended clips?
As a gun owner, I agree. Honestly, pistols, long rifles, and shotguns are fine for me. I don't need an AR15 to defend my home, but I also believe that if we outlawed them across the board, these douchebags would use shotguns and handguns really. Sure it might decrease the amount of possible damage they could do, but these sensationalists are looking for social affirmation of their pain IMO.
Or they would still have them, because theystole them....because they are criminals.
As my posted article points out - these guns aren't being stolen now, they are being purchased legally and used by people with mental problems. That has got to stop.
Indeed, but you can't prove that they WON'T be stolen. All you can prove is that a law abiding citizen who would have used that weapon to defend himself does not have it.So if we could screen people for mental illness before they buy a gun....is that an answer?
You still haven't answered my question. As for better mental health screening - absolutely, that should be part of the process of buying a gun. We have to do things differently. We have to change the way we are enjoying our 2nd Amendment rights.
I can agree that more iin depth screening in order to purchase a gun is acceptable, and indeed, a good thing. As to why the general public needs access to "military grade" weaponry, this goes back to the basic building blocks of our nation. Allow me a quote, if you will.Government, of the people by the people and for the people, belongs to the people. If the people at sometime grow weary of this government, they can use their constitutional right to amend it or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it. - Abraham LincolnJDH...I think I agreed with you at the start of my post. WTF is going on? Who says people can't be civil and learn from each other.
I'd have to agree that against the US Army, the civilian population would be hard pressed. But should you take their right away? Do you think soldiers would kill US Civilians? There is such a thing a an unlawful order. I don't want to get off topic, lt me refocus. A pistol, a shotgun...heck, even a knife or crossbow could be used for a mass killing. An AR15 fires one round everytime you pull the trigger and holds (I would assume) 30ish to 60. rounds. A pistol fires one round everytime you pull the trigger and can hold anywhere from 10 to 30 rounds. So what are you using to decide the acceptable weapons against the unacceptable? You've yet to tell me what "military grade" means?
Let that be my final post of the matter, at least in this thread. I know how you feel, you know how I feel. Insanity, after all, is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I thank your for the discussion, as well as for sharing your thoughts on the matter
Let that be my final post of the matter, at least in this thread. I know how you feel, you know how I feel. Insanity, after all, is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I thank your for the discussion, as well as for sharing your thoughts on the matter
I'm conflicted. Do I think people need an MI Abrams or MRAPs? No. However, this nation was founded in blood. Joe Schmoe went home, grabbed his rifle and went off to overthrow the government, where PV2 Snuffy also had a rifle. Take your pistol today to the White House and let me know how it works out.Also, let's be honest. The Military uses pistols. Are pistols military grade? No. How is an AR any worse then a hunting rifle? The only real differance betweem a rifle and a pistil is that a rifle is made to be more accurate.
Why does the general population need a bushmaster, or any other military grade weapon with the ability to fire multiple rounds out of extended clips?
As a gun owner, I agree. Honestly, pistols, long rifles, and shotguns are fine for me. I don't need an AR15 to defend my home, but I also believe that if we outlawed them across the board, these douchebags would use shotguns and handguns really. Sure it might decrease the amount of possible damage they could do, but these sensationalists are looking for social affirmation of their pain IMO.
A short barrell pump action shotgun with double odd could be used as a killing machine, and while their capacity is limited one can manually reload very easily. And in the hands of someone who knows how to handle a weapon could be a nightmare for a bunch of unarmed adults let alone defenseless children.. Its not the weapon its the one handling it.. Its a tragic event and it makes me sick to even think about the horror and pain this individual caused.. My prayers go out to all those affected by this senseless event.. Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, Charles Ng and Jim Jones didnt need automatic weapons to comit their evil deeds. I'm ok with having armed people at schools, but what if this happened at an abortion clinic, daycare, temple. We cant stop every bad person from doing bad things and thats the sad thing about it. I know many here do not believe in God, but I do. so may God welcome those lost souls into his bosom.
I'm conflicted. Do I think people need an MI Abrams or MRAPs? No. However, this nation was founded in blood. Joe Schmoe went home, grabbed his rifle and went off to overthrow the government, where PV2 Snuffy also had a rifle. Take your pistol today to the White House and let me know how it works out.Also, let's be honest. The Military uses pistols. Are pistols military grade? No. How is an AR any worse then a hunting rifle? The only real differance betweem a rifle and a pistil is that a rifle is made to be more accurate.
Why does the general population need a bushmaster, or any other military grade weapon with the ability to fire multiple rounds out of extended clips?
As a gun owner, I agree. Honestly, pistols, long rifles, and shotguns are fine for me. I don't need an AR15 to defend my home, but I also believe that if we outlawed them across the board, these douchebags would use shotguns and handguns really. Sure it might decrease the amount of possible damage they could do, but these sensationalists are looking for social affirmation of their pain IMO.
A short barrell pump action shotgun with double odd could be used as a killing machine, and while their capacity is limited one can manually reload very easily. And in the hands of someone who knows how to handle a weapon could be a nightmare for a bunch of unarmed adults let alone defenseless children.. Its not the weapon its the one handling it.. Its a tragic event and it makes me sick to even think about the horror and pain this individual caused.. My prayers go out to all those affected by this senseless event.. Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, Charles Ng and Jim Jones didnt need automatic weapons to comit their evil deeds. I'm ok with having armed people at schools, but what if this happened at an abortion clinic, daycare, temple. We cant stop every bad person from doing bad things and thats the sad thing about it. I know many here do not believe in God, but I do. so may God welcome those lost souls into his bosom.
I see no reason why I could not do as much damage as this kid with a semi auto shotgun. My 1187 only holds 5 rounds, but I can smash with extreme accuracy in seconds with it, and it is not considered an assault rifle. The only thing banning rifles like AR15's will do is force these morons to use a lesser evil, and kill a few less kids.... However, I can get a fully automatic weapon with a phone call, and faster then any gun law would allow me to in the legal manner.
i may get bashed for this, but.....assault weapons, and guns in general is not the problem....crazy ass people are. my assault weapons and guns have not killed anyone lately. i have them for protection of myself and my family, and to just go out and shoot for fun. im a former police officer and i firmly believe good law abiding people should have the right to have what ever kind of gun they want. criminals will not give up their guns, and honestly neither will I. the funny thing is, a 12 gauge shot gun is a far more devastating weapon than an assault rifle at close range, but no one is wanting to ban those.....what happened in the school was about the most horrible thing i have ever seen and heard of, and my heart goes out to the families 100 percent. but banning guns or the "the assault weapon ban of the 1990"s" didn't actually ban anything. this is what you could not have on a post assault weapon ban AR-15.....ready for this? a flash hider, thats it. oh, and you were not supposed to put a 30 round mag in it...but guess what EVERYONE did. they still fit the exact same way in both pre and post ban guns. so people that said the 1990's assault weapons ban did so much. you are just a complete dumb ass and you have no clue what you are talking about. Im a southern boy, living in Chicago where i hear all about how bad guns are, and how we need to restrict them all the time.....wake up, an unarmed society, is just a society of victims. look at other countries that have already banned guns. i like the saying about gun control, i not only practice gun control, but i practice trigger control as well, so i hit where i am aiming........
The fact is that sometimes events overwhelm the law as well a common sense. We all decry the horrible event that occurred last week. As a parent, I can't begin to imagine the grief and loss the parents of those murdered children are experiencing. Just think what it must be like to have gone home that evening and looked into your child's room, knowing it would be empty from then on, not to mention having to deal with the manner of how your child lost their life.
Now, the assailant here used two legally owned handguns. He took them from his mother, killed her then went about the business of commiting the above mentioned atrocity. No extended magazine, no assualt weapon, just regular semi-automatic handguns.
The difficulty here is that the horror of this event will almost certainly result in a tightening of firearm laws. I have been an avid firearms owner since boyhood. I'm 61 now. In my capacity as an attorney, I have assisted the NRA in a suit to help preserve gunowners' rights. But, like Iraq had nothing to do with the tragedy of September 11, 2001, the tide of anger, that should have been concentrated on Bin Laden and his hosts in Afganistan will wash over law abiding citizens.
It is important that as the discussion goes forward, that those of us who value the real meaning of the second amendment be willing to discuss this topic. It will be important to recognize that this sort of thing is, in fact, occurring far too frequently. For example, when you can't go see "Batman" without somebody shooting up the theatre, when you can't go Christmas shopping without sombody shooting up the mall, when you can't kiss your five year old goodbye in the morning, without them being dead two hours later, we have to admit that mentally unstable can get their hands on guns very easily.
What's the answer?? Hell, I have no clue. We must, however, be willing to engage in a conversation to find one or we will all lose a piece of our freedom.
Interesting, curious if you know what the penalty is for someone who can legally own a firarm carries a cocealed weapon in one of these cities/ states where it is illegal to conceal carry.
Up to 4 years in NYC. in the sourounding cities its 2-4 without a permit. The funny thing is that people do have permits in NYC but most of them are Multi Milliionares that most anti gun supporters go figure. One of the craziest things I've seen are people with permits carrying firearms on a plane. If your plane lands in JKF instead of Newark or Albany due to weather its 4 years in a state prison.
Interesting, curious if you know what the penalty is for someone who can legally own a firarm carries a cocealed weapon in one of these cities/ states where it is illegal to conceal carry.
Up to 4 years in NYC. in the sourounding cities its 2-4 without a permit. The funny thing is that people do have permits in NYC but most of them are Multi Milliionares that most anti gun supporters go figure. One of the craziest things I've seen are people with permits carrying firearms on a plane. If your plane lands in JKF instead of Newark or Albany due to weather its 4 years in a state prison.
Plus loosing ones right to own a firearm on top of it..Yea dfinately not worth it for any law abiding citizen, but criminals will be criminals...I didnt think anyone but LE could carry a firearm on a plane, even with a permit. Or are we talking private jet??
Interesting, curious if you know what the penalty is for someone who can legally own a firarm carries a cocealed weapon in one of these cities/ states where it is illegal to conceal carry.
Up to 4 years in NYC. in the sourounding cities its 2-4 without a permit. The funny thing is that people do have permits in NYC but most of them are Multi Milliionares that most anti gun supporters go figure. One of the craziest things I've seen are people with permits carrying firearms on a plane. If your plane lands in JKF instead of Newark or Albany due to weather its 4 years in a state prison.
Plus loosing ones right to own a firearm on top of it..Yea dfinately not worth it for any law abiding citizen, but criminals will be criminals...I didnt think anyone but LE could carry a firearm on a plane, even with a permit. Or are we talking private jet??
Not concealed but you can carry it locked underneith the plane. But like I said if following the rules and happen to get directed to NYC I get 4 year when if I land in albany all is good crazy.
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